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Thread: Jab's Builds!

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    Agent Liberty



    AGENT LIBERTY (Benjamin Lockwood)
    Created By:
    Dan Jurgens
    First Appearance: Superman #60 (Oct. 1991)
    Role: Patriotic Hero, Bad-Ass '90s Hero
    Group Affiliations: The Justice League of America, The CIA, The Sons of Liberty
    PL 9 (108)
    STRENGTH
    3 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 4
    INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 2 (+6)
    Athletics 4 (+7)
    Deception 3 (+5)
    Expertise (CIA Agent) 4 (+6)
    Expertise (Paramilitary) 5 (+7)
    Insight 2 (+4)
    Intimidation 4 (+6)
    Perception 4 (+6)
    Stealth 2 (+6)
    Vehicles 2 (+6)

    Advantages:
    Ranged Attack 4

    Powers:
    "Agent Costume" (Flaws: Removable) [16]
    "Force Shield" Enhanced Dodge 2 (2)
    Protection 3 (3)
    "Retractable Blades" Strength-Damage +2 (Feats: Split) (3)
    "Jetpack" Flight 6 (120 mph) (12)
    -- (20 points)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +11 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
    Blades +11 (+5 Damage, DC 20)
    Initiative +4

    Defenses:
    Dodge +10 (+12 Shield, DC 20-22), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +3 (+6 Costume), Fortitude +5, Will +4

    Complications:
    Motivation (Fixing the Government)- For a time, Agent Liberty was in a paramilitary group devoted to unseating the American President.

    Total: Abilities: 62 / Skills: 32--16 / Advantages: 4 / Powers: 16 / Defenses: 10 (108)

    -A guy I've never heard of, Agent Liberty is from the early '90s run by Dan Jurgens, and he may as well be named '90s Mc'90sSon. He was a CIA Agent so disgusted with the government that he joined the paramilitary Sons of Liberty, trying to overturn the current government. He came up against Superman a few times, but quit the group when asked to assassinate Pete Ross, and became their enemy. He pretty much vanished from the books after Jurgens left, but appeared in some background scenes here and there (despite having quit the role earlier)- he was killed by Superwoman (who is apparently LUCY LANE) when he was observed spying on her, basically being brought out of the woodwork just to die. A new, female Agent Liberty was seen as part of the security team for the new American President, a big irony considering the origins of the character- she was killed by Ursa when a ton of Kryptonians arrived on Earth. He was briefly a Justice League member during the time when Superman was dead.

    -A minor character who's obviously no match for the Man of Steel, I figure Agent Liberty for a PL 8 sort who's got a PL 9 Force Shield that helps him deflect bullets.

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    Ah Maxima, so much potential squandered. I do have to wonder whether everyone from her world is a redhead, since the only other character from there, Ultraa, shares the hair color.

    And Agent Liberty...or "what if John Walker was written by DC comics" wasn't that bad a character. He (and later she) really didn't belong in a Superman book though. It's difficult to justify a character of his power level mixed up in Supes business very often. At least Guardian had the excuse of being a Project Cadmus...project to help justify his underpowered @$$ hanging around.

    One more thing, before anyone starts in with "Batman isn't...blah, blah, blah"...no, the Bat-god and these other characters aren't on anything close to the same level. Batman is only street level when it's convenient, otherwise he's Iron Man, Reed Richards and Captain America all rolled into one.

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    Dan Jurgens seemed to be the only one that cared about Agent Liberty, trying to use him when he was in charge of the Justice League, but after that, the guy just dropped off the map.

    DC kind of sucks when it comes to patriotic superheroes besides Superman and Wonder Woman. And even then Superman might not technically apply since he doesn't have the Red/White/Blue/Stars & Stripes color scheme, while Diana does to an extent but isn't really meant to represent American values.

    Probably the best one they've done in a while is Stargirl, and patriotism doesn't really play a big role in her character. Mr. America was incredibly lame for a guy with that name, the Sgt./Citizen Steel guys had cool outfits but not much else, Agent Liberty could have worked as a government agent level super but no one did anything with him, etc. I guess they figured since Marvel had perfected the patriotic hero with Capt. America, it was best not to even try it. DC's best shot would have been the Shield character they got their hands on, but screwed that up apparently.

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    Steel (John Henry Irons)



    STEEL II (John Henry Irons)
    Created By:
    Louise Simonson & John Bogdanove
    First Appearance: The Adventures of Superman #500 (June 1993)
    Role: Black Best Friend, Technical Genius
    Group Affiliations: The Justice League of America, AmerTek, STAR Labs, Suicide Squad, Infinity, Inc., The Supermen of America
    PL 11 (204)
    STRENGTH
    3/10 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 3
    FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 4
    INTELLIGENCE 8 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

    Skills:
    Athletics 2 (+5, +12 Suit)
    Deception 4 (+6)
    Expertise (Science) 8 (+16)
    Insight 2 (+4)
    Intimidation 4 (+6)
    Investigation 3 (+5)
    Perception 4 (+6)
    Technology 10 (+18)
    Vehicles 3 (+7)

    Advantages:
    Diehard, Equipment (Tech Gear), Improved Critical (Hammer), Improved Smash, Inventor, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 6, Takedown

    Powers:
    "Steel Armor" (Flaws: Removable) [68]
    Enhanced Strength 7 (14)
    Protection 7 (Extras: Impervious 11) (18)
    Flight 8 (500 mph) (16)
    Movement 1 (Space Travel 1) (2)
    "Rivet Gun" Blast 8 (Extras: Multiattack) (24)
    "Sensors" Senses 3 (Direction Sense, Analytical Vision) (3)
    Immunity 7 (Heat, Cold, Pressure, Radiation, Vacuum, Drowning & Suffocation) (7)
    -- (84 points)

    "Sledgehammer" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [16]
    "Thrown Hammer" Blast 12 (Feats: Extended Range 2) (Quirks: Does Less Damage at Closer Ranges -1) (25) -- (26 points)
    • AE: "Melee Hammer" Strength-Damage +2 (Extras: Penetrating 8) (10)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +10 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
    Hammer +10 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
    Rivet Gun +10 (+8 Ranged Damage, DC 23)
    Thrown Hammer +10 (+12 Ranged Damage, DC 27)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +4 (+11 Armor), Fortitude +6, Will +7

    Complications:
    Relationship (Large Family)- Steel has a large supporting cast of family members, who are often threatened by gangs (his sister's children) or people who attack him through them (his grandmother was killed this way).
    Motivation (Justice)- Steel wants to life a life "worth living", and fights against things like his weapons technology being used for evil (an old design of his was used for weapons that gang members frequently use).

    Total: Abilities: 72 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 13 / Powers: 84 / Defenses: 15 (204)

    -Steel was created during the famous Death of Superman storyline as one of many potential "replacement" Supermen, some of whom were claiming to be the real guy (as a young fan, I assumed that Hank Henshaw was the real-deal, because he was SO AWESOME YOU GUYS)- he was an engineer who quit AmerTek Industries when a weapon of his was used to kill innocent people. When he was saved by Superman, he was told to "live a life worth saving", and endeavored to become a new hero for Metropolis on the Man of Steel's death against Doomsday. He was spun off into a solo book that lasted for four years, done by Louise Simonson (a Marvel exile), and Christopher Priest (who really got attached to every "black book" in the industry, it seems). His book was cancelled after fifty-ish issues, but he was able to join the Justice League in the Morrison era as their tech-guru. Here, he was kind of "filler", and rarely factored in to major stories, but as a "Diversity Hire", he's not bad- he fills a role beyond "black guy" (DC has far fewere tech-heroes than Marvel does in the major leagues), and he's established as being quite powerful. He retired after The Imperiex War, having mostly gone unused for a while.

    -He later showed up in the 52 era, with his neice Natasha acting as the new Steel. He got turned into a literal man of steel with some uninteresting stuff involving Lex Luthor, and is finally able to beat him when Natasha turns on Luthor and de-powers him.

    -Steel is sort of "Iron Man Lite", lacking a lot of "Good Showings" and high-end fights, but he's unquestionably powerful, and fits in on the Morrison-Era Justice League without looking out of place. The Hammer is pretty central to his offensive power- take it away and he's MUCH weaker. The DCA build includes a TON of stuff I've never seen (but keep in mind I've only read him in JLA)- Wikipedia only includes this stuff (and I think he later dropped the Rivet Gun). He's smart and a good fighter, but his history seems full of a lot of bad decisions and screw-ups, as he can't keep his family safe for any length of time (recurring situations involve them getting injured, crippled or killed), so I'm leaving his Awareness & Presence rather low.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Horsenhero View Post
    He (and later she) really didn't belong in a Superman book though. It's difficult to justify a character of his power level mixed up in Supes business very often. At least Guardian had the excuse of being a Project Cadmus...project to help justify his underpowered @$$ hanging around.
    But there were quite a few of them in that era: Guardian, Gangbuster, Agent Liberty, Thorn. And then qute a few mid-levels (Steel, Alpha Centurion, Starman (Will Payton) and Rampage) seemed to show up as well.

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    Just because there were a bunch of 'em doesn't mean it made any more sense for them to be hanging around. Maybe the writer (Jurgens most likely) was trying to lay the groundwork for a more "complete" city, which means crime doesn't just take place on the highest power levels and faced with a choice between stopping Brainiac and stopping Signalman, Superman is going to pick Brainiac every time. That would leave Signalman to Guardian, Thorn, Agent Liberty or even Gangbuster.

    And those mid-level guys (including the unlisted Booster Gold) could take out the mid-level threats like, say... Big Sur or Arthur Light.

    Anyway, making room in Metropolis for other, lower tier heroes was probably the plan, even if it never came to fruition.

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    I think it's just that writers like Stern & Jurgens want to make their MARK on the world, and thus make their own creations- not just use the old world and its characters. In order to push them, they showcase them in other places (like Jurgens putting Agent Liberty all over Superman and JLA books), rather than risk a solo book that might quickly fail. Even though people create fewer new characters these days, you still see it with guys like Hickman spamming out new guys in Avengers.

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    These days you always run into the Creator's Rights vs. Work for Pay issue as well. Marvel and DC are getting much better at preemptively protecting the ownership of characters created while a particular writer and/or artist was working for them. Writers and illustrators conversely are becoming quite possessive of the characters they create, even under a work-for-pay agreement and given that the US courts have been somewhat wishy-washy about the whole issue, it's no surprise.

    Yes, most challenges to character ownership rights have gone the way of the publisher, BUT, in the case of the Kirby-heir lawsuit, Disney/Marvel was concerned enough about how the SCOTUS would rule and the negative publicity that they paid out a pretty big settlement. DC already settled with both the Siegel & Schuster heirs over Superman, not wanting to drag it out (and god forbid they lose their flagship character).

    Hell, even major redesigns of classic characters can be controversial (Alex Ross notably referred to the trend as "horseshit", though he was primarily addressing Superman).

    Anyway, before I get too far afield, I'll just stop with a final thought. It's too bad that many creators are so tied up in the mindset of ownership instead of contributing to a wider world, especially under a work-for-pay contract since the majority aren't big enough scholars of the history of these characters to dig up the near forgotten and unusual characters to spice up their work.

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    The Young All-Stars



    THE YOUNG ALL-STARS:
    -As I mentioned before, the Young All-Stars were formed by Roy Thomas as a rapid-fire way to continue telling Golden Age stories set in the DCU with the changes wrought by the Crisis. The key problem: Superman, Batman, Robin, Aquaman & Wonder Woman were all now officially gone, meaning that a TON of Thomas' earlier stories now no longer "counted", or had to have been seriously-altered. Thomas, who I imagine was QUITE annoyed (I don't think I've ever heard his opinion on the subject, actually- it's probably quite interesting), decided to create some characters to FILL that void- essentially replacing the characters in those stories with these new guys.

    -The book doesn't seem to have done too well, but lasted a few years, hitting 31 issues. It had a few key problems working against it- it represented something DC was trying to get away from (Retroactive Golden Age stories), it messed with a continuity that was still VERY fresh and tenuous (I mean... better off figuring out your CURRENT continuity than messing with stuff via a Retcon Book, y'know?), and its heroes were rather... lame. There was a guy named "Iron" Munro on it. And a "Neptune Perkins". And "Dan the Dyna-Mite". With names like that, and a focus on these guys at the excusion of the rest of the JSA, I can't imagine to whom it was supposed to appeal- fans of Earth-Two and the Golden Age would have likely been annoyed by their favourites disappearing, and anyone else wouldn't care PERIOD.

    The Cast (and whom they were replacing in continuity):
    The Flying Fox (The Batman)
    Neptune Perkins (Aquaman)
    Fury (Wonder Woman)- I'll stat her with the WW crowd later on.
    Tsunami (not sure)
    Dan the Dyna-Mite (Robin)
    Iron Munro (Superman)
    Tigress (probably Huntress)

    They later met The Young Allies, a group of kids from nations attacked or conquered by the Axis powers:
    Kuei- China
    Fireball- Russia
    Phantasmo- France
    The Squire- England (the Shining Knight's Sidekick- I'll stat him with Sir Justin)
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    Iron Munro



    IRON MUNRO (Arn Munro)
    Created By:
    Roy Thomas, Dann Thomas & Michael Mair
    First Appearance: The Young All-Stars #1 (June 1987)
    Role: Retcon Hero (for Superman)
    Group Affiliations: The Young All-Stars, The Freedom Fighters, The Supermen of America
    PL 9 (113)
    STRENGTH
    10 STAMINA 11 AGILITY 1
    FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Deception 4 (+7)
    Expertise (History) 4 (+4)
    Perception 2 (+2)
    Vehicles 2 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Close Combat, Improved Hold, Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 4

    Powers:
    Impervious Toughness 9 [9]
    Speed 6 (120 mph) [6]
    Leaping 5 (250 feet) [5]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +8 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +11 (+5 Impervious), Fortitude +11, Will +5

    Complications:
    Relationship (Sandra Knight)- Arn marries The Phantom Lady, but they split up sometime around the 1960s- Arn discovers that he has a granddaughter in Kate "Manhunter" Spencer.

    Total: Abilities: 68 / Skills: 12--6 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 20 / Defenses: 11 (113)

    -Iron Munro is one of those guys who inspires an almost virulent, embarrassing hatred in me, and all because of that stupid, STUPID name. I mean, IRON MUNRO? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!? Arn "Iron" Munro was created as a percieved necessity by Roy Thomas in the '80s, when the Crisis wiped out the Golden Age Superman. Basically, Munro was supposed to step in and fill any All-Star Squadron or JSA story that involved Superman. How successful were they? Well, ask yourself that every time you tell someone about Iron Munro and they go "Who the f*#@! is Iron Munro??".

    -Arn is partially based off of the character Aarn Munro, from a series of short stories by some guy I've never heard of (John W. Campbell). There's also apparently some "Iron Munro" who debuted in Shadow Comics #1 in June 1940. He is the illegitimate son of Hugo Danner, the ubermenschian protagonist from the 1930 novel Gladiator which helped inspire the creation of Superman (and yes, that's where Claremont & Cockrum got the name for the Superboy Expy on the Shi'ar Imperial Guard). His backstory gets weirder, as he marries Sandra "Phantom Lady" Knight, but not before having a child out of wedlock that he doesn't know about, who fathers the current Manhunter Kate Spencer's father. And yeah, he still kicks around nowadays, as a background character with no lines in "calling out the reserves" JSA stories.

    -As a proto-GA Superman, Munro's got the strength, speed, power, leaping ability & invulnerability down. But he's an amateur, teenage hero, who's lucky to dodge or hit anything, and relies entirely on his toughness to save him when things go bad.

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