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    Maelstrom falls into the category of "failed world-beater villain", along with Graviton and the ionically-powered Count Nefaria and John Byrne's "Master of the World"; none of them have memorable costumes or appearances (three of the four are just generic-looking eighties villains while Nefaria just looks plain silly), no really memorable plots, and generally weak motivations and backstories as well. Gravition is just the "bitter, frustrated but brilliant scientist" whose work wasn't taken seriously before he gained the mega-powers, Nefaria is just a goofball European royal who was somehow also a "Maggia (Mafia)" boss, and Maelstrom is out for world destruction because, uh, well…he had a rough childhood, I guess. The Master actually had sort of an interesting origin, especially since he started off wanting to protect the Earth against a long-term alien invasion, but his junior league Dr. Doom power-set and cardboard personality pretty much made him a one-off jobber from the start (Byrne admits to going through the motions on Alpha Flight, saying he just never got passionate about the characters or story lines).

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    Yeah, those guys are really all part of the same group- guys that writers wanted to turn into the "Next Doctor Doom", but screwed up at every opportunity because they half-assed something somewhere along the line- generally, they failed to create interesting PERSONALITIES, and just copied the basics for what by the 1980s was the standard "Master Villain" design- a powerful build, bad-ass beard, long flowing cape, etc. Maelstrom even lacks THOSE, and instead trades them for one of those stupid-looking "Half-Assed Kirby Design" helmets.

    They're all further proof that the powers alone don't make the villain. Doom is arguably less powerful than any of them, yet is a thousand times the villain.

    Scc: Oh yikes- I hadn't even noticed that. And the price cost of his powers wasn't correct either. Thanks for the catch.

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    Her/Paragon/Kismet/Ayesha



    Comics: Where women who look like this have trouble meeting men.

    HER (aka Paragon, Kismet, Ayesha)
    Created By:
    Len Wein, David Kraft & Herb Trimpe
    First Appearance: The Incredible Hulk Annual #6 (1977- Paragon), Marvel Two-In-One #61 (March 1980- Her/Kismet)
    Role: Distaff Counterpart (to Warlock), Lady-Rapist
    PL 11 (183)
    STRENGTH
    11 STAMINA 11 AGILITY 3
    FIGHTING 9 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 5 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

    Skills:
    Expertise (Science) 5 (+10)
    Intimidation 7 (+8)
    Perception 5 (+5)
    Technology 5 (+10)
    Vehicles 2 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Fast Grab, Ranged Attack 7

    Powers:
    "Cosmic Hero"
    Immunity 11 (Aging, Life Support) [11]
    Flight 8 (500 mph) [16]
    Movement 2 (Space Travel 1, Environmental Adaptation- Zero Gravity) [4]
    Regeneration 4 (Feats: Regrow Limbs) (Flaws: Requires Cocoon) [3]

    Cosmic Blast 12 (Feats: Penetrating 5) (29) -- [30]
    • AE: "Rearrange Molecular Structures" Transform (anything to anything) 4 (Extras: Continuous) (24)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +9 (+11 Damage, DC 26)
    Cosmic Blast +9 (+12 Ranged Damage, DC 27)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +11, Fortitude +12, Will +6

    Complications:
    Motivation (Finding a Mate)- Her's sole mission in life is seemingly to fly around the Universe, looking for a permanent mate. You'd think a hot golden blonde wouldn't have a lot of trouble finding a guy to hump, but she's rather off-putting, and goes after the wrong sort of dude alot.

    Total: Abilities: 84 / Skills: 24--12 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 64 / Defenses: 15 (183)

    -It's kind of funny how the "Unwanted Lustful Admirer" thing has happened several times in comics- and generally the story is the same: Some smoking-hot, chesty, super-powered chick comes to Earth and immediately tries to sexually-assault our male hero, only to have the good guy chaste-ily rebuke her aggressive sexual needs. Now generally, the hero has good reason- The Thing rejected Thundra because he had Alicia Masters, Superman rejected Maxima because of Lois, and Quasar rejected Her because of his own girlfriend. I think this is all chalked up to the fetishy fantasy desires of the writers and a bit of living vicariously through the heroes (as well as making the fan either worship or want to be the hero even MORE)- the idea of this hot broad flying in and aggressively getting her rape on, but with the censor-pleasing ability of the hero to reject them. The only time I've ever seen this trick work was in Invincible (where it was THE HOTTEST SCENE EVE-- I mean a horrific violation of someone's body and oh so evil).

    -Her came about as a replacement by the Enclave for their escaped creation Adam Warlock (aka Him). Of course, SHE escaped TOO, and ended up becoming a character who popped up in random books, looking for a permanent mate- Marvel has a ton of people who ended up floating around random books from the 1970s & 1980s, actually. She hung around with Quasar (notably because The Gru could not stand ANY Cosmic Marvel character being forgotten during his Encyclopedic run), attempting to bang his brains out (his girlfriend, in possession of The Star Brand at the time, was not impressed and let her feelings be known), then went off and did other random stuff. Despite being an attractive, golden-skinned blonde quick to jump into bed with anyone, to my knowledge she has yet to find the mate she seeks. She seemed around Quasar in Power Level around this time, so I made her a PL 10.5 character.
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Yeah, Her/Kismet is a pre-"Species", Species act without the downside (or upside depending on your fetish) of turning into some Geiger-esque predatory monster. Of course, because comics are an equal opportunity realm for creepy stalkers...both Namor and Arkon have pulled this same act. Namor on Sue Richards and Arkon on... a number of super-women actually.

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    Yeah, that's a good point- of course, in that sense, the abductor/aggressor is generally painted as a more villainous sort, and it's less about fetishes and more about either the heroes saving "their girl" or the girls expressing "Girl Power" and fighting back. It seems to lack the fetish-y overtones of when the women do it. Probably because the writers (and most of the audience) are male. Though I'm sure there's a big group of women who wouldn't mind being abducted by Namor, Prince of Rock-Hard Abs.

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    Eon



    EON
    Created By:
    Jim Starlin
    First Appearance: Captain Marvel #28 (Sept. 1973)
    Role: Cosmic Mentor
    PL 16 (391)
    STRENGTH
    11/16 STAMINA 10/15 AGILITY -1
    FIGHTING 2 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 14 AWARENESS 6 PRESENCE 4

    Skills:
    Deception 4 (+8)
    Expertise (Cosmic Lore) 12 (+26)
    Expertise (Space Traveller) 8 (+22)
    Expertise (History) 8 (+22)
    Insight 4 (+10)
    Perception 10 (+16)
    Persuasion 2 (+6)
    Stealth 8 (+7)
    Technology 2 (+16)

    Advantages:
    Beginner's Luck, Eidetic Memory, Jack-of-All-Trades, Ranged Attack 8, Well-Informed

    Powers:
    "Immortal Entity"
    Regeneration 6 (Feats: Regrow Limbs) [7]
    Immunity 12 (Aging, Life Support, Sleep) [12]
    Impervious Toughness 13 [13]
    Flight 9 (1,000 mph) [18]
    Senses 7 (Detect Energy- Ranged 4, Acute, Analytical) [7]

    "Cosmic Mind"
    Comprehend 4 (Languages 4) [8]
    "Cosmic Sight" Senses 9 (Extended Vision 4, Analytical Vision, Precognition) [9]
    Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Space) [2]
    Quickness 14 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Actions) [7]
    "Mental Detection" Senses 5 (Mental Awareness- Ranged 2, Radius, Acute) [5]

    "One With The Universe: Cosmic Awareness"
    Features 1: Directed Inspiration- May ask the GM a Question With an HP [1]
    Senses 1 (Cosmic Awareness- Ranged 3) [4]
    Enhanced Skills: Expertise (Current Events) 12 (+26) (Flaws: Requires Time) [3]

    "Telepathy" Communication (Mental) 5 Linked to Mind Reading 8 [36]

    "Variable Size"
    Growth 5 (Str & Sta +5, +5 Mass, +2 Intimidation, -2 Dodge/Parry, -5 Stealth) -- (15 feet) [10]
    Growth +5 (+10 Mass, +5 Intimidation, +1 Speed, -10 Stealth) -- (36 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-STR & STA Growths) [5]

    Cosmic Blast 20 (Feats: Extended Range 3, Penetrating 8) (51) -- [57]
    • AE: Movement 5 (Space Travel 3, Dimensional Movement 2) (Extras: Portal +2, Instant Travel) (25)
      AE: Force Field 7 (Extras: Impervious 19) (26)
      AE: "Energy Arms" Extra Limbs 6 (6)
      AE: Remote Sensing 24 (Visual, Hearing) (64,000 miles) (Feats: Dimensional, Subtle) (Flaws: Physical Body is Defenseless) (50)
      AE: Teleport 12 (Extras: Extended, Accurate) (48)
      AE: Illusion (All Senses) 8 (40)

    "Reanimate Dead" Summon 3 (Extras: Continuous, 8 Minions +6) (Flaws: Requires Dead Bodies) (24) -- [25]
    • AE: "Generate Psuedopods" Summon 4 (Extras: Continuous, 2 Minions +2) (20)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +2 (+15 Damage, DC 30)
    Growth +2 (+17 Damage, DC 32)
    Blast +12 (+20 Ranged Damage, DC 35)
    Initiative +2

    Defenses:
    Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +10 (+15 Growth, +22 Force Field, +10 Impervious), Fortitude +12 (+16 Growth), Will +14

    Complications:
    Motivation (Protecting The Universe)- Eon was tasked by Eternity & Infinity with preserving the existence of life in the Universe.

    Total: Abilities: 92 / Skills: 58--29 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 229 / Defenses: 29 (391)

    -Eon was Quasar's mentor for the first chunk of his book. He was a bit dry and unemotional given his role as Guardian of Life & Time, but he was okay at his job- choosing a Guardian Of The Universe to defend against various threats (Quasar was chosen to fight Maelstrom). He was pretty odd-looking, with his giant eye and occasional growth of hands, and the fact that he was all small and brown and stuff- kinda made him look like a big leafy turd with a face on it.

    -Eon's power is nearly impossible to assess, because he was a Cosmic Being that never fought anything- he has some extra-normal powers (and he defines Cosmic Awareness), but he was generally a non-combatant who probably had little, if any, combat ability. In any case, he was weak enough that he could willingly sacrifice his life by allowing Quasar to kill him (he felt that Maelstrom would soon steal the secret of Cosmic Awareness from him). He also has vast Cosmic Awareness, allowing him to discover pretty much anything about anything, but he requires time (a standard Flaw- basically a slower Skill that takes longer to assess or gather his checks or whatever).

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    Epoch



    EPOCH
    Created By:
    Mark Gruenwald
    First Appearance: The Infinity Gauntlet #2 (Aug. 1991)
    Role: Cosmic Mentor
    PL 14 (315)
    STRENGTH
    9/14 STAMINA 9/14 AGILITY -1
    FIGHTING 2 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 12 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 2

    Skills:
    Expertise (Cosmic Lore) 1 (+13)
    Expertise (Space Traveller) 2 (+14)
    Expertise (History) 1 (+13)
    Perception 10 (+13)
    Persuasion 2 (+6)
    Stealth 8 (+7)

    Advantages:
    Beginner's Luck, Eidetic Memory, Jack-of-All-Trades, Ranged Attack 8, Well-Informed

    Powers:
    "Immortal Entity"
    Regeneration 6 (Feats: Regrow Limbs) [7]
    Immunity 12 (Aging, Life Support, Sleep) [12]
    Impervious Toughness 13 [13]
    Flight 9 (1,000 mph) [18]
    Senses 7 (Detect Energy- Ranged 4, Acute, Analytical) [7]

    "Cosmic Mind"
    Comprehend 4 (Languages 4) [8]
    "Cosmic Sight" Senses 9 (Extended Vision 4, Analytical Vision, Precognition) [9]
    Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Space) [2]
    Quickness 10 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Actions) [5]
    "Mental Detection" Senses 5 (Mental Awareness- Ranged 2, Radius, Acute) [5]

    "One With The Universe: Cosmic Awareness"
    Features 1: Directed Inspiration- May ask the GM a Question With an HP [1]
    Senses 1 (Cosmic Awareness- Ranged 3) [4]
    Enhanced Skills 16: Expertise (Current Events) 12 (+26), Cosmic Lore 8 (+19), Space Traveller 4 (+18), History 5 (+18), Technology 2 (+14), Science 3 (+15) (Flaws: Requires Time) [8]

    "Telepathy" Communication (Mental) 5 Linked to Mind Reading 8 [36]

    "Variable Size"
    Growth 5 (Str & Sta +5, +5 Mass, +2 Intimidation, -2 Dodge/Parry, -5 Stealth) -- (15 feet) [10]
    Growth +5 (+10 Mass, +5 Intimidation, +1 Speed, -10 Stealth) -- (36 feet) (Flaws: Limited to Non-STR & STA Growths) [5]

    Remote Sensing 21 (Visual, Hearing) (8,000 miles) (Feats: Dimensional, Subtle) (Flaws: Physical Body is Defenseless) (44) -- [50]
    • AE: Cosmic Blast 16 (Feats: Extended Range 3, Penetrating 8) (43)
      AE: Movement 5 (Space Travel 3, Dimensional Movement 2) (Extras: Portal +2, Instant Travel) (25)
      AE: Force Field 5 (Extras: Impervious 15) (20)
      AE: "Energy Arms" Extra Limbs 6 (6)
      AE: Teleport 12 (Extras: Extended, Accurate) (48)
      AE: Illusion (All Senses) 8 (40)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +2 (+9 Damage, DC 24)
    Growth +2 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
    Blast +8 (+16 Ranged Damage, DC 31)
    Initiative +2

    Defenses:
    Dodge +8 (DC 18), Parry +8 (DC 18), Toughness +9 (+14 Growth, +19 Force Field, +8 Impervious), Fortitude +12 (+16 Growth), Will +14

    Complications:
    Motivation (Protecting The Universe)

    Total: Abilities: 72 / Skills: 24--12 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 200 / Defenses: 19 (315)

    -Epoch was the daughter of Eon, birthed in its womb upon the latter's death- she has all the powers of Eon, but at a much lower level, and she's horribly inexperienced. As such, she is dependent upon Quasar to be her Guardian, and isn't as good in a fight (not that either Cosmic Entity did much fighting). We never really saw much of her, as Quasar's own series died out not too long after her debut, and she didn't get much play on the Cosmic Scene afterwards.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    NAMOR BUILDS:

    -I already built Namor for my X-Men series, but since I was gonna post his Supporting Cast & Villains, I figured I'd repost him (with some minor modifications, since some of the upper-tier guys can be messed around with endlessly), and include a lower-level version that better fits the Silver & Bronze Ages (where he was a Teamwrecker, but not THAT insanely tough).

    Looking at his cast always makes it clear why his books have never really "worked"- there's too many recurring trends, as writers cap off the same story each time. Namor Loses Atlantis is the big one, but also Namor Finds Love But She Totally Dies Or Something Dumb Like That. His cast is basically made up entirely of one-note Undersea Douchebags and Sexy Aquatic Ladies. His Rogues Gallery is thus pretty unimpressive, which helps make him one of the least-used of Marvel's big-name characters, especially considering how important he is to the Marvel Univers as a whole (their first super-character, their first "Tweener" between good & evil, and a big bridge between the Golden & Silver Ages, as well as being a political leader).

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    When two of your biggest villains are Dr. Dorcas (Really? A villain whose name sounds like dork?) and Warlord Krang (The most yellow peril looking non-yellow peril villain ever.), you've got problems. Tiger Shark was pretty nifty, as was Attuma and Tyrak had a design that didn't totally suck, but Orca the human killer whale, Llyra, U-Man and so many others were just forgetable. Cap it off with the fact that for the most part, he's never written as that good of a character. He's got all the arrogance of Thor or Hercules and none of the charm. He's like a (very) slightly less annoying Gilgamesh.

    Then there are the crappy plotlines he gets. The biggest fail of Namor character development I can think of was during "Atlantis Attacks", when he's killed (even though everyone expected him back by the end) and suddenly this mysterious, shadowy character starts whuppin' on villains and thwarting their plans. Well, since the figure was never seen outside of a silhouette, everybody was probably thinking "Namor's going to get a cool design makeover", but no! When he is revealed to be alive, he's still the same boring-ass, scaley green speedo wearing guy he was before. Worst of all, he wasn't even that important to the resolution of the story.

    The story is titled "Atlantis Attacks" and the most important Atlantean character is the MU is little more than a sidebar to the story. That...is an epic failure.

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    Namor, The Sub-Mariner



    NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER (Namor McKenzie)
    Created By:
    Bill Everett
    First Appearance: Motion Picture Funnies Weekly (April 1939)
    Role: The Jerkass, The Badass, Noble Prince Dickhead
    Group Affiliations: The Avengers, The Invaders, The All-Winners Squad, The Illuminati, Deep Six, The Dark X-Men,
    Avengers Grade: C-Level (never really a long-term member)
    PL 13 (199), PL 14 (199) When Soaked
    STRENGTH
    14/15 STAMINA 13/14 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Deception 2 (+5, +7 Attractive)
    Expertise (Ruler of Atlantis) 4 (+7)
    Expertise (History) 3 (+6)
    Expertise (Business) 6 (+9)
    Intimidation 9 (+12)
    Perception 5 (+8)
    Persuasion 3 (+6, +8 Attractive)
    Ranged Combat (Atlantean Weapons) 4 (+10)

    Advantages:
    Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Attractive, Chokehold, Daze (Intimidation), Diehard, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab, Favoured Environment (Underwater), Fearless, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Initiative, Improved Hold, Last Stand (Ignore Damage for 1 Round With an HP), Leadership, Power Attack, Ranged Combat 4, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown 2

    Powers:
    "Mutant Powers: Winged Feet"
    Flight 9 (1,000 mph) (18) -- [19]
    • AE: Swimming 11 (1,000 mph) (11)

    "Atlantean/Human Hybrid"
    Immunity 4 (Aging, Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [4]
    Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Aquatic) [2]
    Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]

    "Improved Underwater Stats" (All with Flaws: Limited to Underwater/When Soaked)
    Enhanced Strength 1 [1]
    Power-Lifting 2 (3,200 tons) [1]
    Enhanced Stamina 1 [1]
    Impervious Toughness 6 [3]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +12 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
    Soaked +12/+13 (+15 Damage, DC 30)
    Initiative +8

    Defenses:
    Dodge +12 (DC 22), Parry +12 (DC 22), Toughness +13 (+14 Soaked, +3 Impervious), Fortitude +13 (+14 Soaked), Will +11

    Complications:
    Enemy (Every Atlantean Advisor Or General Ever)- Namor repeatedly has Atlantis stolen from him by some douchebag or another. Atlantis is either full of evil schemers or soon-to-be-dead girlfriends.
    Relationship (Lots of Soon-To-Be-Dead Underwater Chicks)- Every time Namor makes out with a pretty blue-skinned girl from under the seas, the poor thing is doomed to die. Even the green-skinned Marrina couldn't avoid the Damocles' Sword of Namor's schlong.
    Responsibility (Atlantis)- Namor is the ruler of Atlantis, which makes him the target of a never-ending line of usurpers, as well as anyone who hates Atlantis (like Lemurians or Wakandans).
    Responsibility (Human/Atlantean Hybrid)- Namor's racial make-up often becomes an issue with his people.
    Reputation (Tool)- Namor is charismatic, but extremely impolite and impetuous, often threatening his closest friends for minor slights. He's straight-up MURDERED strangers for the same.
    Reputation (Crazy)- Namor has a chemical imbalance that often leaves him unstable, which is why he has been absolutely villainous as hell in the past. He went from a fairly kind-hearted guy in his own book to a Black Adam-alike in recent years.
    Power Loss (Wings)- Namor can lose his Flight if the tiny wings on his feet are damaged or disabled.
    Weakness (Lack of Water)- If left without water, Namor will grow progressively weaker. After a long period of time, he will becoming Fatigued, Impaired, Disabled, Stunned, etc. (in addition to dropping Strength & Stamina consistently).
    Enemy (Attuma, Orka, Llyra)- Namor has a Rogues Gallery of Jobbers ready to lose to him at a moment's notice. Most of them try to take over Atlantis.
    Secret (The Illuminati)- Namor allies with Mr. Fantastic, Professor Xavier, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange & Iron Man in an attempt to ensure the safety of his people and the world.
    Enemy (The Black Panther, Wakanda)- The two nations were at war- Under the Phoenix's power, Namor committed near-genocide against Wakanda, and even when he recovered, he wasn't particularly sorry.

    Total: Abilities: 108 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 25 / Powers: 32 / Defenses: 16 (199)

    -I've always liked Namor. I'm not quite sure why- his series are almost always sure failures (the comics-buying public just DOES NOT CARE about Atlantean Politics, whether it's DC's or Marvel's) and I never buy them, he's been cancelled 100 times, and his writing is often haphazard and random (handwaved away by saying "he's bipolar"). But the fact that he's a Flying Brick beyond most common Marvel powerhouses, capable of slugging it out with the Hulk or Thor, and perennially pissed-off about something, mixes together to make a fairly interesting character whenever he appears in someone else's book. He uses broad strokes rather than tiny dabbles. Frequently he rages against the surface world that so vexes his people (in the '60s, it was nuclear testing that scattered them), yet he also contains a large degree of nobility, often defending the weak from others, and respecting great opponents. Eventually, DC would kind of hit on the same things with Black Adam (who looks a lot like Namor) in the JSA series, at which point NAMOR started reflecting ADAM in one of those weird comic book things, to the point where I'd say a lot of Namor's current characterization is more akin to Adam's example.

    -His desire to bone Mr. Fantastic's wife (and saying it right in front of him) is always entertaining, too (I love it when she knocks him to the floor and yells at him, and he just responds with "Gods, you are magnificent" while she rolls her eyes in disgust). He's actually spent a surprisingly short amount of time on the Avengers, having only served briefly in the '80s (during the "Masters of Evil destroy the mansion" arc, where he was absent, doing Stupid Atlantean Stuff; he also fought The Olympian Gods), after having been a villain of theirs for most of the '60s. Generally, he was another Sub-Thor fighter, tearing into combat with aplomb, but generally being caught up in the ONLY FREAKING STORY NAMOR EVER GETS INTO, which is "Atlantis Gets Taken Over/Warred With, Requiring Namor's Assistance". I am fairly certain that this has happened 20,000 times now.

    -He was actually pretty popular in the 1960s, but wasn't able to get his own book thanks to publishing rules inflicted against Marvel by DC back in the '50s that limited the number of books they could release in a month- when they were finally lifted, he had a six-year run of his own. He was developed into the classic Angst-Ridden Marvel Hero, a King without a Kingdom. He had a short Limited Series in the '80, and his own ongoing book in the '90s, which used him as some kind of suit-wearing business-owner out to fight pollution (John Byrne in his later, less-popular days was the main creative force). This book also gave Jae Lee his start in comics. He also became a lot... NICER... during this time, frequently being helpful. His power level also seemed to wane the nicer he got, as did his reliance on water for his health. A subsequent series in the 2000s was an infamous failure (Salvador Larocca was basically forced to draw it, being taken from a good X-Men gig in order to write for Marvel President Bill Jemas' pet project, as Namor was central to a new Publishing Wing at Marvel). A couple years later, another quickly-cancelled book came out- Namor just does NOT have luck with those things.

    -If I was running Marvel, I'd probably insist he join at least one team. He seems a good fit- being strong as hell, but not an uber-Brick like Wonder Man or Thor, but alot more skilled and so full of rage that he'd just go flying right into battle at the drop of a hat. And since nobody buys his solo books, he's actually much better off in a team book that people would buy anyways (plus, he needs other characters to bounce his personality off of him that aren't subservient to him, like in his own book). Granted, Marvel seems to get this these days, throwing him on anything involving The Illuminati. Though it's funny that people would likely consider him an Aquaman Wannabe were he to show up in a Marvel Cinematic Universe film, since Aquaman (a RIP-OFF of Namor) has ended up becoming more famous... but for all the wrong reasons.

    -Namor is an extremely powerful character, making PL 13 in melee, and PL 12.5 on defense, which is enough to give him a small edge over Iron Man, and run him a bit below Thor. He's a tad stronger than The Thing outside of the water, and MUCH stronger within it, yet packs the accuracy of The Punisher, Kraven, Black Cat and others who are generally considered to be excellent melee fighters without being truly elite. That accuracy plus that might is a nasty combo, and as such he's a powerhouse. Add to that the fact that he can go into the water and instantly be in the Thor class of Power Levels, and you've got yourself a merciless bad-ass (never mind the fact that every other major hero is WORSE OFF in the water!). Even his Will Save is nuts- a big part of Emperor Doom was that Namor is one of the few people on Earth with a Will strong enough to resist the power of The Purple Man.

    -Even his old Weakness of being out of water isn't really a major deal anymore- Namor's one of those guys who started off dramatically-powerful, seemingly grew weaker once he got his own comic book series, but is now one of the full-fledged baddest dudes on the block.



    NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER (Namor McKenzie)- Younger Version
    Created By:
    Bill Everett
    First Appearance: Motion Picture Funnies Weekly (April 1939)
    Role: The Jerkass, The Badass, Noble Prince Dickhead
    Group Affiliations: The Avengers, The Invaders, The All-Winners Squad, The Illuminati, Deep Six, The Dark X-Men,
    Avengers Grade: C-Level (never really a long-term member)
    PL 12 (190), PL 13 (190) When Soaked
    STRENGTH
    13/14 STAMINA 12/13 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Deception 2 (+5, +7 Attractive)
    Expertise (Ruler of Atlantis) 4 (+7)
    Expertise (History) 3 (+6)
    Expertise (Business) 6 (+9)
    Intimidation 9 (+12)
    Perception 5 (+8)
    Persuasion 3 (+6, +8 Attractive)
    Ranged Combat (Atlantean Weapons) 4 (+10)

    Advantages:
    Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Attractive, Chokehold, Daze (Intimidation), Diehard, Extraordinary Effort, Fast Grab, Favoured Environment (Underwater), Fearless, Great Endurance, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Initiative, Improved Hold, Last Stand (Ignore Damage for 1 Round With an HP), Leadership, Power Attack, Ranged Combat 4, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown 2

    Powers:
    "Mutant Powers: Winged Feet"
    Flight 9 (1,000 mph) (18) -- [19]
    • AE: Swimming 11 (1,000 mph) (11)

    "Atlantean/Human Hybrid"
    Immunity 4 (Aging, Drowning, Cold, Pressure) [4]
    Movement 1 (Environmental Adaptation- Aquatic) [2]
    Senses 1 (Low-Light Vision) [1]

    "Improved Underwater Stats" (All with Flaws: Limited to Underwater/When Soaked)
    Enhanced Strength 1 [1]
    Power-Lifting 2 (1,600 tons) [1]
    Enhanced Stamina 1 [1]
    Impervious Toughness 6 [3]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +11 (+13 Damage, DC 28)
    Soaked +11/+12 (+14 Damage, DC 30)
    Initiative +8

    Defenses:
    Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +12 (+13 Soaked, +3 Impervious), Fortitude +12 (+13 Soaked), Will +9

    Complications:
    Enemy (Every Atlantean Advisor Or General Ever)- Namor repeatedly has Atlantis stolen from him by some douchebag or another. Atlantis is either full of evil schemers or soon-to-be-dead girlfriends.
    Relationship (Lots of Soon-To-Be-Dead Underwater Chicks)- Every time Namor makes out with a pretty blue-skinned girl from under the seas, the poor thing is doomed to die. Even the green-skinned Marrina couldn't avoid the Damocles' Sword of Namor's schlong.
    Responsibility (Atlantis)- Namor is the ruler of Atlantis, which makes him the target of a never-ending line of usurpers, as well as anyone who hates Atlantis (like Lemurians or Wakandans).
    Responsibility (Human/Atlantean Hybrid)- Namor's racial make-up often becomes an issue with his people.
    Reputation (Tool)- Namor is charismatic, but extremely impolite and impetuous, often threatening his closest friends for minor slights. He's straight-up MURDERED strangers for the same.
    Reputation (Crazy)- Namor has a chemical imbalance that often leaves him unstable, which is why he has been absolutely villainous as hell in the past. He went from a fairly kind-hearted guy in his won book to a Black Adam-alike in recent years.
    Power Loss (Wings)- Namor can lose his Flight if the tiny wings on his feet are damaged or disabled.
    Weakness (Lack of Water)- If left without water, Namor will grow progressively weaker. After a long period of time, he will becoming Fatigued, Impaired, Disabled, Stunned, etc. (in addition to dropping Strength & Stamina consistently).
    Enemy (Attuma, Orka, Llyra)- Namor has a Rogues Gallery of Jobbers ready to lose to him at a moment's notice. Most of them try to take over Atlantis.
    Secret (The Illuminati)- Namor allies with Mr. Fantastic, Professor Xavier, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange & Iron Man in an attempt to ensure the safety of his people and the world.
    Enemy (The Black Panther, Wakanda)- The two nations were at war- Under the Phoenix's power, Namor committed near-genocide against Wakanda, and even when he recovered, he wasn't particularly sorry.

    Total: Abilities: 102 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 25 / Powers: 32 / Defenses: 13 (190)

    -A more low-end Namor that represents what was more common in the late '60s through the '80s- he could fit on The Avengers without noticeably out-powering the others, even on a team with Cap, Black Knight, Captain Marvel II & She-Hulk on it- he was roughly-even with that version of Hercules and a BIT above Shulkie, but not by much.
    Last edited by Jabroniville; 11-23-2014 at 01:26 AM.

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