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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by luketheduke86 View Post
    Yea, I think Idris Elba could be a great James Bond, though I guess he's getting tired of people asking him about it. And while I can understand not wanting unnecessary changes made to a character you love, James Bond and change has always gone kind of hand in hand to me. I don't particularly see why a modern James Bond can't be a different ethnicity.

    Oh, and yea never could really stand the Authority. I liked Jack Hawksmoor quite a bit, but the rest of book got old pretty fast.
    Personally I just don't think it's right to make any significant change to an already established popular character whatever that change may be (Race, sex, sexual orientation, nationality etc.) And yes of course Elba is a good actor and 'could' make a great Bond but he's black and Bond isn't, that's not racist in the same way that casting Jason Statham to play Blade would obviously be wrong. If the character was new and as long as the creator gave permission then by all means make whatever changes you deem necessary but to do so to such a famous iconic character as Bond who has literally generations of fans just seems disrespectful to me. Also in reality, James Bond is as much a part of my culture as King Arthur, Robin Hood and Sherlock Holmes and despite the 'modern Britain is multi-cultural' argument that I constantly hear in regards to Elba playing Bond the Afro-Caribbean (Black) population only make up 3% of the British population so I really don't see that as a cogent enough argument to warrant the unnecessary change.

    I've been an obsessive Marvel comics collector since I was eleven years old (Over twenty years) and absolutely hate it when characters are changed when they get cast in live action, even minor characters. Obviously I'm looking forward to the upcoming Spider-Man: Homecoming movie but after I saw who had been cast in the film I realized not one character from the comics is as they are in the source material. Peter is obviously still a teen, Aunt May is a similar age to Tony Stark which negates a huge aspect of Pete's origin story (Worrying about the health of his elderly aunt and how they'll pay the household bills) the Tinkerer and Vulture are not elderly, the Shocker (A man named Herman Schultz) is black and Flash Thompson the school sporting hero who's most known for bullying Peter is being played by a skinny Asian kid. My main question I suppose is why? why make a movie based on something already so established and knowing it has a good sized existing loyal fan-base only to change every single character they use. Instead of focusing on telling a truly great story their primary concern seems to be showing how diverse they can be when it comes to casting.

    I realize this comment turned into a rant, I promise that wasn't by intention and I apologize for that but I've loved Marvel since I was a child so when I learn that characters I grew up reading and are still a huge part of my life will appear in TV shows/movies I want to see those characters and I want the wishes of long term loyal fans like myself not to be ignored or just dismissed. I suppose that's why I'm so opposed to Idris Elba being Bond because even though I'm a fan of the actor I understand what being a fan-boy is so I sympathize with the Bond fans who don't want their beloved character changed.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by catsi563 View Post
    also some stories do suggest that the bond name might not entirely be one man, that the title like 007 may be passed down to certain exceptional agents
    Yeah, that would be the 1967 Casino Royale film. The Columbia Pictures one with Peter Sellers and Woody Allen. Not exactly canon.

    James Bond (Lazanby) married Tracy. Tracy was killed by Bloedeld (Savalas). James Bond (Connery) sought revenge against Bloefeld (Charles Gray). Bond (Moore) finally got his revenge against "the bald villain in a wheelchair" (John Hollis), for the death of Tracy. Years later Felix Leiter (David Hedison, 5th and 8th Leiter) commented that Bond (Dalton) was a widower.

    In story, they were all the same person. Were all the actors playing Felix Leiter and Bloefeld suppossed to be playing different people who were taking on a codename? No.

    Anything about it being a name passed around is just fanboy wank based on one dumb parody film.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    If they do cast Elba as Bond, maybe, when they do the next series of Luther, they could recast DCI John Luther to be played by George Lazenby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greycrusader View Post
    Right-so Elba as Bond could only pose as a native citizen in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, all of North and South America, every Middle Eastern and African nation, Pakistan and much of India, Australia and New Zealand, and anyplace in the Caribbean. But if he'd need to have a different type of cover in Russia and Eastern Europe...

    Now, I agree Fleming would never have written JB as anything but White-but it ain't the 1960s anymore and the movies left the books behind long ago.

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    While Fleming may not have created a black protagonist, most writers primarily write using their own experiences (He did however base Bond on several real life people) I don't see that as a cogent enough argument for changing such a beloved iconic famous character. If nothing it else I don't agree with changing a character without gaining the creators permission first especially when that change is wholly unnecessary, seeing as Fleming is no longer around to give his consent I don't think it's right. To ignore what the creator envisioned of his characters just seems disrespectful to me, as does ignoring how iconic the character is and dismissing the wishes of the generations of fans who love the character and don't want him changed.

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    I've always imagined 'James Bond' is the cover identity, not the actual man himself. Hence why he's never shy about trotting out the name; it cannot by itself come back to haunt his loved ones. It also is an in-setting explanation for Bond's looks periodically changing dramatic. Each man was James Bond---because, in-universe, Bond was just a pseudonym.
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    CRASH BANDICOOT:
    Game Type: 3-D Action Platformer
    Release Date: 1996
    Developer: Naughty Dog

    -Crash Bandicoot served so many purposes when it debuted- it was part of the second run of games for the inaugural PlayStation, and was openly and obviously being considered Sony's new Platform Mascot, in the brand of Mario and Sonic. Though MUCH more in the vein of Sonic, what with the whole "Animal With Attitude" thing going on. Choosing an anarchic, weird developer (one of their past games is one of the few of the Post-1983 era of video gaming to include nudity- though only with a cheat discovered years after the fact, that almost nobody could ever find by mistake- hilariously, I remember an interview with one of Naughty Dog's founders where he bragged about an "Easter Egg" in a past game that would blow people's minds if it was found out... and recalled it YEARS later, when the secret finally did!), an unlikely animal (early Previews had to explain what a Bandicoot WAS- clearly this was a copycat of Sonic's use of an Echidna for Sonic's Anti-Hero character, Knuckles), a snarky game character, and a string of commercials which features a guy in a Crash costume insulting the heads of Sega & Nintendo for making shitty, inferior products to the PlayStation... this guy was in a lot of things, and one of them definitely WAS my face!

    -And so it was with one of the best hype-jobs since Sonic's debut that Crash Bandicoot finally came out in 1996. I begged my parents to buy it for me, happily plopped it in the console... and was kinda... just disappointed. It wasn't BAD, per se- it was just a shockingly-mediocre, standard-issue Platformer when all was said & done (though I don't recall getting very far- I think a combination of boredom and difficulty stunted my willingness to continue). The guy ran in a straight line, hopped on enemies, broke boxes, collected 100 pieces of whatever to earn extra lives, and then fought some small Bosses in "3-D", all of which was just 2-D with the ability to run on the Y-axis sometimes. The Boss Fights were just in a Beat 'Em-Up style format, too! And the graphics, while smooth and colorful, were blocky and quite ugly. And really, the whole thing just cried "Copycat", in spite of his commercials (which, having betrayed Nintendo and become a Sony loyalist, I LOVED). Cripes, he's even saving a female Bandicoot from a Mad Scientist!

    -Despite all of that, the game got solid reviews, and naturally did amazingly-well in sales (to the tune of 6.8 million copies)- NEVER underestimate the power of a good ad campaign (look at Body Spray, which sells bajillions of canisters a year all on the promise that the young males using them will immediately be sexually assaulted by a variety of aggressive women). There were a handful of sequels, but were considered to be much worse than the original, and the series soon died, having fallen before the power of the Italian Plumber and the creations of Rare.

    CRASH BANDICOOT
    Role:
    The Hero, Animal With Attitude
    PL 8 (97)
    STRENGTH
    1 STAMINA 3 AGILITY 5
    FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 4
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Athletics 11 (+12)
    Close Combat (Stomp/Spin) 2 (+12)
    Deception 3 (+6)
    Perception 3 (+5)
    Persuasion 1 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Improved Critical (Stomp/Spin), Improved Defense, Ranged Attack 4, Teamwork

    Powers:
    "Mario Stomp/Crash Spin" Strength-Damage +3 (Feats: Takedown 2) [5]
    Leaping 1 (15 feet) [1]
    "Bandicoot Senses" Senses 3 (Acute & Extended Scent, Low-Light Vision) [3]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +10 (+1 Damage, DC 17)
    Stomp/Spin +12 (+4 Damage, DC 19)
    Initiative +4

    Defenses:
    Dodge +12 (DC 22), Parry +13 (DC 23), Toughness +3, Fortitude +5, Will +7

    Complications:
    Relationship (Tawna)- Tawna was turned into an anthropomorphic creature, much like Crash.
    Enemy (Dr. Neo Cortex)- Neo is an insane super-genius who is turned animals into walking, talking creatures, and wants to take over the world.

    Total: Abilities: 56 / Skills: 20--10 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 6 / Defenses: 18 (97)

    -Crash is a pretty generic Platformer Hero. The only semi-unique thing is his "Spin Attack", which can send enemies spiralling into others (which is sort of like Takedown).

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    I felt the exact same way about Crash Bandicoot, Jab. Just meh. MediEvil and Spyro were my faves on ps1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoid View Post
    I've always imagined 'James Bond' is the cover identity, not the actual man himself. Hence why he's never shy about trotting out the name; it cannot by itself come back to haunt his loved ones. It also is an in-setting explanation for Bond's looks periodically changing dramatic. Each man was James Bond---because, in-universe, Bond was just a pseudonym.
    This would have worked as a "metaplot point" in the film 'verse (Fleming's literary Bond never changes appearance and isn't an active agent for five decades) except that On Her Majesty's Secret Service, The World Is Not Enough, and Skyfall all make his family background an important plot point. OHMSS introduces the Bond family coat of arms, TWINE explicitly refers to the family motto both in on screen dialogue and in the title, and Skyfall's entire third act takes place in the family's ancestral home... That makes Lazenby, Brosnan, and Craig either the same character or makes their characters all members of the same family.

    Frankly, I think its best to invoke Bellisario's Maxim: Don't Examine This Too Closely.

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    Personally, the changing of races for movies doesn't really bother me- it's a drop in the bucket compared to all of the changes already made to characters.

    Tony Stark as a happy-go-lucky Team Snarker instead of a grim, fatalistic Atoner, while Hawkeye is the serious family man of the team? Harry Osborn and Mary Jane as Peter's childhood friends, where Harry is the clever, good-looking popular guy and MJ is a charming Girl-Next-Door instead of a wild Party Girl? Bucky is Cap's cooler, tougher childhood pal?

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Trying this again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Earth-Two_Kenn View Post
    James Bond (Lazanby) married Tracy. Tracy was killed by Bloedeld (Savalas). James Bond (Connery) sought revenge against Bloefeld (Charles Gray). Bond (Moore) finally got his revenge against "the bald villain in a wheelchair" (John Hollis), for the death of Tracy. Years later Felix Leiter (David Hedison, 5th and 8th Leiter) commented that Bond (Dalton) was a widower.

    In story, they were all the same person. Were all the actors playing Felix Leiter and Bloefeld suppossed to be playing different people who were taking on a codename? No.

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