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    Dende



    DENDE -- (ANY SAGA)
    First Appearance:
    Dragon Ball Z (Frieza Saga)
    Role: Guardian of Earth
    Group Affiliation: Earth, The Z-Fighters, Namek
    PL 2 (128), PL 5 (128) Saves
    STRENGTH
    0 STAMINA 0 AGILITY 0
    FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Deception 3 (+6)
    Insight 3 (+6)
    Perception 5 (+8)
    Persuasion 3 (+6)

    Advantages:*
    None

    Powers:
    "Ki Speed"
    Flight 8 (500 mph) [16]
    "Afterimage Technique" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Flaws: Limited to Versus Lower-PL Opponents) [2]

    "Sense Ki" Senses 12 (Detect Ki- Ranged 9, Acute, Radius) [12]
    "Godly Being" Senses 1 (Godly Ki Awareness) [1]

    "Namekian Physiology"
    "Big Ears" Senses 1 (Extended Hearing) [1]
    "Mystic Attack" Elongation 2 (Flaws: Limited to Arms) [1]
    Features 2: Regrows Lost Limbs, May Fuse With Other Namekians [2]
    Regeneration 2 [2]

    "Far-Seeing Arts" Remote Sensing (Vision & Hearing) 20 (Flaws: Limited to While on Kami's Look-Out) (40) -- [45]
    • AE: "Telepathy" Communication (Mental) 3 (12)
    • AE: Healing 12 (Extras: Restorative) (36)
    • AE: "Summon Shenron" Healing 14 (Extras: Resurrection) (Flaws: Limited to Shenron, Source- Stone Shenron Statue) (14)
    • AE: Ki Blast 2 (Feats: Precise, Extended Range 15) (20)
    • AE: Movement 4 (Space Travel 2, Dimensional Travel 2) (8)

    "Magic Materialization" Create 3 (Feats: Subtle, Innate) (Extras: Continuous) [11]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
    Initiative +0

    Defenses:
    Dodge +0 (DC 10), Parry +0 (DC 10), Toughness +0, Fortitude +3, Will +6

    Complications:
    Responsibility (Guardian of Earth)
    Responsibility (DBZ Character)- All DBZ characters, when fighting a more-powerful opponent, must throw one useless Blast at them, then smirk at the ensuing explosion. Then, they must appear absolutely shocked when the opponent walks out of the smoke, completely unharmed. All this ever does is waste a round for both characters.
    Addiction (Stalling)- All DBZ characters automatically fail all checks to resist the enemy using stalling tactics. They will never take one minute to do something when thirty will do.

    Total: Abilities: 22 / Skills: 14--7 / Advantages: 0 / Powers: 93 / Defenses: 6 (128)

    -Dende is one of the few Namekians who isn't just a nameless mook, and his childlike nature helps him become the "living face" of Namek- a symbol of the innocence of the people being cut down by Frieza's forces. He allies with Gohan & Krillin, and uses his Healing gifts to help them out, but is eventually killed by Frieza for trying this one too many times in the final battle. He is resurrected along with the rest of his planet, and is later convinced by Goku to become the new Guardian of Earth, thus allowing the Dragon Balls to be recreated. His role in the series after this is tiny, and more of a means to an end.

    -Dende has some of Kami's abilities, but is notably way too far below anyone else in power to actually matter in a fight.

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    Android 17



    ANDROID 17 (Lapis) -- (ANDROIDS SAGA)
    First Appearance:
    Dragon Ball Z (Cell Saga)
    Role: Genocidal Monster
    Group Affiliation: The Androids
    PL 15 (298)
    STRENGTH
    8 STAMINA 10 AGILITY 8
    FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 3
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 0

    Skills:
    Athletics 3 (+11)
    Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+16)
    Deception 4 (+4)
    Intimidation 4 (+4)
    Perception 10 (+10)
    Ranged Combat (Ki) 7 (+15)
    Technology 4 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Accurate Attack, Equipment 2 (Pistol), Fast Grab, Evasion 2, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Critical (Energy) 3, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Initiative 3, Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 5, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown 2

    Powers:
    "Cyborg Body"
    Protection 5 (Extras: Impervious 9) [14]
    Immunity 15 (Life Support, Fatigue Effects) [15]

    "Martial Arts Strike" Strength-Damage +6 [6]

    "Super-Speed"
    Flight 20 (2,000,000 mph) [40]
    "Afterimage Technique" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Flaws: Limited to Versus Lower-PL Opponents) [2]

    "Detect Ki" Senses 12 (Detect Ki- Ranged 9, Acute, Radius) [12]
    Features 1: Can Double Area Attacks With an HP Spent [1]

    Energy Blast 15 (Feats: Extended Range 15, Split, Precise) (Extras: Penetrating 12) (59) -- [65]
    • AE: "Accel Dance!" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Multiattack 15) (15)
    • AE: "Power-Up Kersplosion" Damage 10 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Burst) (20)
    • AE: "Accel Shot!" Ki Blast 15 (Extras: Multiattack) (45)
    • AE: "Energy Wave!" Damage 15 (Extras: Area- 120ft. Cone +2) (45)
    • AE: "Android Barrier" Deflect 15 (15)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +16 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
    Blast +15 (+15 Ranged Damage, DC 30)
    Area Attacks +15 (+15 Damage, DC 30)
    Initiative +20

    Defenses:
    Dodge +15 (DC 25), Parry +15 (DC 25), Toughness +15, Fortitude +10, Will +5

    Complications:
    Motivation (Destruction)- Android 17 just wants to break things, and people. He generally rebels against anyone's orders, and wants to do his own thing.
    Responsibility (DBZ Character)- All DBZ characters, when fighting a more-powerful opponent, must throw one useless Blast at them, then smirk at the ensuing explosion. Then, they must appear absolutely shocked when the opponent walks out of the smoke, completely unharmed. All this ever does is waste a round for both characters.
    Addiction (Stalling)- All DBZ characters automatically fail all checks to resist the enemy using stalling tactics. They will never take one minute to do something when thirty will do.

    Total: Abilities: 82 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 29 / Powers: 156 / Defenses: 15 (298)

    -Androids 17 & 18 were a bit of an odd thing- created largely because the Editor found Toriyama's designs for Androids 19 & 20 to be awful, they were meant to aid Dr. Gero in his quest for vengeance against Goku... but instead just killed him and slaughtered indiscriminately. In Trunks' future, the pair of them had killed a huge chunk of the world's population, and every Z-Fighter but Trunks. They're actually a pair of human teenagers, restructured into mechanical beings... thus making them CYBORGS, and not Androids, actually.

    -17 received far less characterization than his sister (who had the whole thing with Krillin). He's your typical over-confident, smirking DBZ villain, even leaving the Z-Fighters alive so that they can be healed by Senzu Beans, and left for another fight! It's when he fights with an enhanced Piccolo that he's stopped, this time by a run-in from Cell, who absorbs 17, thus gaining in power! This is the last we really see of the guy in the show aside from cameos- he returns when Cell is defeated, and goes off on his own to become a Park Ranger, even apparently getting married!

    -Perhaps sensing how odd this was, he was reintroduced in Dragon Ball GT, getting merged with Hell Fighter 17, a version of himself created in Hell by scientists (no, really). Becoming Super 17, he one-punches every Z-Fighter, but Android 17 takes control and allows Goku to take advantage of his one weakness: he cannot move while absorbing energy. Goku thus punches through him while he's absorbing some, then finishes him with a Kamehameha. Android 17 is thus revived a second time (or third, if you count the time he was blown up with the rest of the Earth in the Buu Saga).

    -Androids 17 & 18 were truly high-level warriors during the Cell Saga. Their rep came big: they are said to have slaughtered ALL of the Z-Fighters in Trunks' future, AND they are claimed to be EVEN STRONGER in the "standard" timeline! And that's DESPITE all the Z-Fighters training for years to fight them. 18 whups Vegeta, and 17 takes out so many guys that it takes the boosting of Piccolo to #1 (via his fusion with Kami) to even equal him. However, Cell soon arrives, and ruins everything. We never really see him as dominant again, but as Super 17, he's apparently PL 18-ish or something, able to take out everyone else.
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyBoots View Post
    Would it make sense for Bulma to have something on her sheet indicating that she's the primary user of Capsules in the series? I'll admit that I've only watched scattered episodes of the series, but my impression was that, whenever the group actually needed conveyance or a place to stay, she was the go-to person who always pulled out a capsule with whatever they needed in it.
    Kinda stopped being a big thing after Dragon Ball, and it was often just treated as mundane equipment (it's how her dad made his money, so apparently other people have the stuff, too). With her wealth and inventive genius, it's easier to just hand-wave that kind of thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by drkrash View Post
    Jab, will you be talking at all about the...curiousity...that is the Dragonball live-action movie? I suspect most fans consider it an abomination, but I found it pretty entertaining. And Emmy Rossum was a pretty hot Bulma.
    That movie's really high on my list of "Things never to watch, ever, even if it's to satisfy a sick curiosity" . I mean, I don't even like the ACTUAL Dragon Ball Z anymore, much less a bad American adaptation of it!

    Plus, if I wanna see Emmy Rossum being hot, I have plenty of options on the internet, especially with the safe search off.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormson View Post
    Oddly, this series of builds has me more curious how Naruto/Bleach builds might look, considering what little I've seen of those series, the combatants are generally portrayed as a bit more equal, and have a bit more variety.
    YOU SON OF A---
    Not a request, mind you, just random observation.
    *puts away axe* Oh. Never mind .

    Yeah, Thorp and a couple others have attempted builds of that crew. A lot of similarities in the fact that you end up repeating similar powers a lot, but there's definitely more variety in the crew's abilities.

    Though it's always surprising how much work it actually is to do builds of 80 guys with essentially the same power-set. The DBZ Wikia site is rather thorough, and I've got to look closely at how each guy handles each fight (of which there are usually several, especially for an established character), and if there's a unique power or two in there underneath all the "Blast/Multiattack/Energy Wave" stuff. It doesn't help that the site also lists all of the non-cannon VIDEO GAME maneuvers, too.

    Regarding the thoroughness of the Wiki, I find it absurd that the Wiki page for freaking CUI is almost as big as the SNK Wiki's site for goddamn Kyo Kusanagi, the MAIN CHARACTER OF THE FRANCHISE for like half its run. AND it has more detail as to Cui's moveset, as SNK's fails to describe Kyo's on any level. So... hard... to stat characters...
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Watching some of the Team Four Star stuff is pretty great- I stopped watching because I was seeing a bit too much "filler" (hard to avoid on a show that's 70% Filler), and some of the voices were grating, but I feel like the cast has improved a lot, and some of the gags are pretty great. Vegeta (vs) Android 18 has some CLASSIC misogynistic lines, leading to his proper ass-whupping.

    "SO, ladies first, then? Well, just to warn you- I'm not AFRAID to hit a woman."
    "That's fine. Neither am I. *whups Vegeta's ass*"
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    Android 18





    ANDROID 18 (Lazuli) -- (ANDROIDS SAGA)
    First Appearance:
    Dragon Ball Z (Cell Saga)
    Role: Genocidal Monster, Hot Wife to Ugly Guy
    Group Affiliation: The Androids, The Z Fighters
    PL 15 (304)
    STRENGTH
    8 STAMINA 10 AGILITY 8
    FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 3
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Athletics 3 (+11)
    Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+16)
    Deception 4 (+4, +6 Attractive)
    Intimidation 2 (+5)
    Perception 10 (+10)
    Ranged Combat (Ki) 7 (+15)
    Technology 4 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Accurate Attack, Attractive, Fast Grab, Evasion 2, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Critical (Energy) 3, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Initiative 3, Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 5, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown 2

    Powers:
    "Cyborg Body"
    Protection 5 (Extras: Impervious 9) [24]
    Immunity 15 (Life Support, Fatigue Effects) [15]

    "Martial Arts Strike" Strength-Damage +6 [6]

    "Super-Speed"
    Flight 20 (2,000,000 mph) [40]
    "Afterimage Technique" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Flaws: Limited to Versus Lower-PL Opponents) [2]

    "Detect Ki" Senses 12 (Detect Ki- Ranged 9, Acute, Radius) [12]
    Features 1: Can Double Area Attacks With an HP Spent [1]

    Energy Blast 15 (Feats: Extended Range 15, Split, Precise) (Extras: Penetrating 12) (59) -- [65]
    • AE: "Accel Dance!" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Multiattack 15) (15)
    • AE: "Power-Up Kersplosion" Damage 10 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Burst) (20)
    • AE: "Infinity Bullet!" Ki Blast 15 (Extras: Multiattack) (45)
    • AE: "Energy Wave!" Damage 15 (Extras: Area- 120ft. Cone +2) (45)
    • AE: "Android Barrier" Deflect 15 (15)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +16 (+14 Damage, DC 29)
    Blast +15 (+15 Ranged Damage, DC 30)
    Area Attacks +15 (+15 Damage, DC 30)
    Initiative +20

    Defenses:
    Dodge +15 (DC 25), Parry +15 (DC 25), Toughness +15, Fortitude +10, Will +5

    Complications:
    Motivation (Killing Goku)- The Androids were created to kill Goku- even after she turns good, she finds herself distant towards him.
    Relationship (Krillin)- He falls in love with her after she flirts with him following several attacks on the Z-Fighters, and defends her against the better judgement of the others. After the Cell fight is over, he works to save their lives, wishing away their self-destruct mechanisms using the Dragon Balls.
    Responsibility (DBZ Character)- All DBZ characters, when fighting a more-powerful opponent, must throw one useless Blast at them, then smirk at the ensuing explosion. Then, they must appear absolutely shocked when the opponent walks out of the smoke, completely unharmed. All this ever does is waste a round for both characters.
    Addiction (Stalling)- All DBZ characters automatically fail all checks to resist the enemy using stalling tactics. They will never take one minute to do something when thirty will do.

    Total: Abilities: 88 / Skills: 34--17 / Advantages: 28 / Powers: 156 / Defenses: 15 (304)

    -The sarcastic, flirtacious, female Android, 18 is the more-popular and used of the two. One of the few super bad-ass women in the series, she initially just kinda goes along with Android 17's plan to kill Goku and wipe out the Z-Fighters, but isn't overly-concerned with anything. She tends to flirt with a terrified Krillin, which of course leads to him falling in love with her- a running theme features him trying to save her, despite Trunks' warnings of how genocidal the pair of Androids are. She is rescued when Perfect Cell regurgitates her, and appears flattered when she finds out that Krillin has a thing for her- however, Toriyama carefully avoids any hint of development by revealing them as having been married during a seven-year time-skip between the Cell & Buu Sagas- here, she is the mother of Krillin's child- a daughter named Marron. And yes, as a cyborg, she can apparently give birth.

    -Despite being one of the most powerful fighters on Earth, she doesn't really get involved in the major battles (she throws a fight ot Mr. Satan, provided he reimburse her with a ton of money). She's also your typical Bossy Toriyama Wife, given that her anger is terrifying, and Krillin's always been a bit of a wimp that way.

    -In combat, Android 18 is more or less equal to 17, and can defeat Super-Saiyan Vegeta after a prolonged battle (she breaks his arm with her first kick, and outlasts him the rest of the way). Much is made of the Androids' Stamina- they never tire, and are thus able to fight continuously, which allows them to eventually overpower their Saiyan enemies. In later Sagas, she gains the Destructo Disc of Krillin's, but unfortunately falls back a bit in overall power.
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    Android 16



    ANDROID 16 -- (ANDROIDS SAGA)
    First Appearance:
    Dragon Ball Z (Cell Saga)
    Role: Peaceful Powerhouse
    Group Affiliation: The Androids, The Z Fighters
    PL 16 (349)
    STRENGTH
    10 STAMINA -- AGILITY 6
    FIGHTING 12 DEXTERITY 3
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Athletics 3 (+11)
    Close Combat (Unarmed) 4 (+16)
    Deception 4 (+4)
    Perception 10 (+10)
    Ranged Combat (Ki) 7 (+16)
    Technology 4 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Accurate Attack, Fast Grab, Evasion 2, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed) 2, Improved Critical (Energy) 3, Improved Defense, Improved Hold, Improved Initiative 3, Move-By Action, Power Attack, Ranged Attack 6, Seize Initiative, Startle, Takedown 2

    Powers:
    "Cyborg Body"
    Protection 17 (Extras: Impervious 9) [36]
    Immunity 30 (Fortitude Effects) [30]

    "Martial Arts Strike" Strength-Damage +6 [6]

    "Super-Speed"
    Flight 20 (2,000,000 mph) [40]
    "Afterimage Technique" Concealment (Visuals) 2 (Flaws: Limited to Versus Lower-PL Opponents) [2]

    "Detect Ki" Senses 12 (Detect Ki- Ranged 9, Acute, Radius) [12]
    Features 1: Can Double Area Attacks With an HP Spent [1]

    "Hell's Flash!" Damage 16 (Extras: Area- 500ft. Line +5) (96) -- [102]
    • AE: Energy Blast 16 (Feats: Extended Range 15, Split, Precise) (Extras: Penetrating 14) (63)
    • AE: "Accel Dance!" Strength-Damage +0 (Extras: Multiattack 16) (16)
    • AE: "Power-Up Kersplosion" Damage 10 (Extras: Area- 60ft. Burst) (30)
    • AE: Ki Blast 16 (Extras: Multiattack) (48)
    • AE: "Energy Wave!" Damage 16 (Extras: Area- 120ft. Cone +2) (48)
    • AE: "Android Barrier" Deflect 15 (15)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +16 (+16 Damage, DC 31)
    Blast +16 (+16 Ranged Damage, DC 31)
    Area Attacks +16 (+16 Damage, DC 31)
    Initiative +18

    Defenses:
    Dodge +15 (DC 25), Parry +15 (DC 25), Toughness +17, Fortitude --, Will +6

    Complications:
    Motivation (Killing Goku)- The Androids were created to kill Goku.
    Responsibility (Pacifist)- Android 16 does not wish to fight, and it takes a lot to make him break this.
    Responsibility (DBZ Character)- All DBZ characters, when fighting a more-powerful opponent, must throw one useless Blast at them, then smirk at the ensuing explosion. Then, they must appear absolutely shocked when the opponent walks out of the smoke, completely unharmed. All this ever does is waste a round for both characters.
    Addiction (Stalling)- All DBZ characters automatically fail all checks to resist the enemy using stalling tactics. They will never take one minute to do something when thirty will do.

    Total: Abilities: 60 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 27 / Powers: 229 / Defenses: 15 (349)

    -Android 16 was a peculiarity in the Cell Saga- he never appeared in Trunks' future, and he was completely synthetic. AND he was 100% peaceful, watching the birds fly about instead of helping the other Androids against the Z-Fighters. It turns out that he was based off of Dr. Gero's son, and was created to be peaceful, so that he would not meet a violent death the way Gero's son had. However, he is brought to battle when Cell tries to absorb Android 17- he does well, but once 17 is absorbed, Cell becomes MUCH stronger and easily beats 16. During the next while, he befriends a young Gohan, and when he observes the Z-Fighters' battle against Perfect Cell, he is mercilessly-slaughtered by the villain, who hopes to unlock Gohan's "next tier" of power. Unfortunately for Cell, this does the trick, and Super-Saiyan Level 2 Gohan beats him. Android 16 is never seen again, and it's left ambiguous as to whether or not the artificial man could be resurrected by the Dragon Balls.

    -As an analogue to Frankenstein's Monster, Android 16 is an interesting character concept (a PACIFIST in a FIGHTING MANGA??), but I feel the design is too silly to work. The big "puffy" armor looks odd, and he has the same "Big Goon" look that Recoome does. Just not that interesting. At least the smaller Androids look unique.

    -Android 16 is more-powerful than either of his "siblings" in the series, but lacks the desire to fight until they are threatened by Cell (he refuses to help them against the Z-Fighters, perhaps because he knows there's no danger to them). He is overpowered by Cell in the end, and easily-destroyed later on.

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    haha- man, I totes need to do South Park builds at some point. The latest season, all about the modern-day form of PC culture, is classic. "After all, what is P.C. but a verbal form of gentrification? Spruce everything up, get rid of all the ugliness, in order to create a false sense of paradise?"

    Hell, they even found a use for OFFICER BARBRADY again. While making fun of the "Whole Foods culture", the idea that Caitlin Jenner is now a hero and if you don't agree you're a BIGOT ("I'm pretty sure she's the same horrible person she was BEFORE the operation!"), Donald Trump, and the extremes everywhere. Without King of the Hill around, I feel like this is the only show on willing to take it to EVERYONE.

    And like King of the Hill, it has a lot of dumb people unable to understand satire, not GETTING the point of the show, or that it's meant to be satirical. Fun project: go on TV Tropes and read the "Dethroning Moment of Suck" page for either show- it's basically all "I used to think South Park was great, because they made fun of EVERYONE... it was MY group's turn to be made fun of! Now I hate them and they're bigots and they SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!" Meanwhile, on the KotH page, it's all people whining about how the show defends Hank's close-mindedness and bigotry, without realizing that THAT'S PART OF THE SATIRE. And that the writers DON'T agree with Hank about everything! The idea of either lefties or right-wingers smirking at how the show agrees with their philosophy is hilarious given how often both groups get it.

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    King of the Hill did stick it to the right wing as frequently as the left, but, in my opinion it was one of the few shows that treated conservatives as being empathetic. Dale Gribble was a John Birch conspiracy nut dialed to 11, of course, but he was the comic relief. Everyman Hank was a blue collar, generically Protestant, generically white guy... And he wasn't (usually) a straw man and wasn't written as evil.

    Most shows that claim to be "nothing is sacred" comedies mocking the right and the left really aren't. The Daily Show, Family Guy, SNL, and so forth really don't seem to know anything beyond three stock straw men: corrupt corporate executive, ignorant redneck, and hypocritical preacher.

    King of the Hill is beloved in the right wing circles I travel in. Not for showing us as always flawless and always correct, but for showing us as human. For the older crowd, Archie Bunker is seen in the same light. Yes, he was written as a bombastic jerkass, but he was also written as someone you could empathize with.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Quote Originally Posted by Batgirl III View Post
    Most shows that claim to be "nothing is sacred" comedies mocking the right and the left really aren't. The Daily Show, Family Guy, SNL, and so forth really don't seem to know anything beyond three stock straw men: corrupt corporate executive, ignorant redneck, and hypocritical preacher.
    To be "fair," The Daily Show, Family Guy, and Saturday Night Live make no pretense at being balanced.

    Jon Stewart is an admitted, unabashed progressive, and he'd only go after others on the left when they screwed up so bad in the public eye that they made statism look bad. Even then, he'd almost always make sure to "balance" it with shots at Republicans, to imply that, however terrible the subject is, it's at worst as bad as the other side. Credit where it's due, though - he was at least clever enough to be entertaining. His replacement, not so much.

    Seth MacFarlane is even worse. He's PROUD of the fact that he uses his shows to attack views anywhere to the right of his extreme-left position.

    Saturday Night Live has even come under attack by former cast members for being less about comedy and more about taking a political stance by attacking the opposition constantly. It's extremely rare for them to show a Democrat politician as anything other than a glorious hero. Early last year, Lorne Michaels made the excuse that they attack Republicans harder because they can take a joke.

    Although, they had a skit about the DNC debate not long ago that wasn't nearly as scathing as their usual attack stuff, but it sure wasn't flattering, and it was even relatively truthful.

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