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    That is the difference between Vince and Trips & Steph. Ric Flair actually pointed this out when he compared the 4 Horseman to the nWo.

    Vince knew the heel had to be humiliated and get their comeuppance. The hero had to get some wins. The heel got more heat when they showed up the next night making excuses and doubling down.

    Trips & Steph are never humiliated or really defeated just like the nWo was never really humiliated or really defeated.

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    "Macho Man" Randy Savage



    Nobody does Berserker Fury like the Macho Man, YEAH...

    "MACHO MAN" RANDY SAVAGE (Randy Poffo)- MACHO KING
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    6'2" Wgt: 245 lbs.
    Nicknames: The Macho King
    Role: Psychopathic Hero
    Group Affiliations: The Mega Powers, The New World Order
    PL 10 (143)
    STRENGTH
    6 STAMINA 6 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 14 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 4

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 5 (+9)
    Athletics 8 (+13)
    Expertise (Promos) 11 (+15)
    Expertise (Baseball Player) 3 (+5) -- Uses Dexterity
    Intimidation 3 (+7)

    Advantages:
    All-Out Attack, Daze (Intimidation), Fascination (Promos), Fast Grab, Improved Critical (Special Moves), Improved Grab, Improved Hold, Improved Initiative, Move-By Action, Ranged Attack 2

    Powers:
    "The King's Subjects"
    Protection 2 (Extras: Affects Others Only, Area- 30ft. Burst, Reaction +3) [10]
    Strength-Damage +2 (Extras: Affects Others Only, Area- 30ft. Burst, Reaction +3) [10]
    Leaping 1 (15 feet) [1]

    "Special Moves- Macho Drop" Strength-Damage +1 (Inaccurate -1) Linked to Affliction 5 (Will; Impaired/Disabled/Transformed to Powerless) (5) -- [7]
    AE: "Sceptre Smash" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) (1)
    AE: "Elbow Drop" Strength-Damage +4 (Inaccurate -2) (2)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +14 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
    Special Moves +12 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
    Macho Drop +12 (+7 Damage & +5 Affliction, DC 21 & 15)
    Elbow Drop +10 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Initiative +8

    Defenses:
    Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +14 (DC 24), Toughness +6, Fortitude +8, Will +8

    Complications:
    Relationship (Hulk Hogan)- Macho Man loved Hulk Hogan like a brother, but the jealousy in his heart for Hogan's stardom, and his relationship with Elizabeth, drove Savage to betray his closest friend and swear vengeance on him.
    Relationship (Miss Elizabeth)- Savage was a controlling, borderline-abusive boyfriend to his beautiful female manager. He grew more respectful when he turned Babyface, but slowly grew more and more controlling and enraged when she showed attention to Hulk Hogan. Eventually, he was driven insane, chasing her away- it would take the end of his in-ring career and Sensational Sherri beating on him to bring Liz back to his side- they were soon married.

    Total: Abilities: 76 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 28 / Defenses: 16 (143)

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    "MACHO MAN" RANDY SAVAGE (Randy Poffo)- RENEGADE
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    6'2" Wgt: 245 lbs.
    Nicknames: The Macho King
    Role: Psychopathic Hero
    Group Affiliations: The Mega Powers, The New World Order
    PL 10 (141)
    STRENGTH
    6 STAMINA 6 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 14 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 4

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 5 (+9)
    Athletics 8 (+13)
    Expertise (Promos) 11 (+15)
    Expertise (Baseball Player) 3 (+5) -- Uses Dexterity
    Intimidation 3 (+7)

    Advantages:
    All-Out Attack, Daze (Intimidation), Fascination (Promos), Fast Grab, Improved Critical (Special Moves), Improved Grab, Improved Hold, Improved Initiative, Move-By Action, Ranged Attack 2

    Powers:
    "Spreading Madness" Affliction 6 (Will; Impaired/Disabled/Transformed to Powerless) (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst, Selective) Linked to Macho Drop [18]
    Leaping 1 (15 feet) [1]

    "Special Moves- Macho Drop" Strength-Damage +1 (Inaccurate -1) Linked to Affliction 5 (Will; Impaired/Disabled/Transformed to Powerless) (5) -- [7]
    AE: "Chain Toss" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) (1)
    AE: "Elbow Drop" Strength-Damage +4 (Inaccurate -2) (2)

    Offense:
    Unarmed +14 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
    Special Moves +12 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
    Macho Drop +12 (+7 Damage & +5 Affliction, DC 21 & 15)
    Elbow Drop +10 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Initiative +8

    Defenses:
    Dodge +11 (DC 21), Parry +14 (DC 24), Toughness +6, Fortitude +8, Will +8

    Complications:
    Relationship (Hulk Hogan)- Macho Man loved Hulk Hogan like a brother, but the jealousy in his heart for Hogan's stardom, and his relationship with Elizabeth, drove Savage to betray his closest friend and swear vengeance on him.
    Relationship (Miss Elizabeth)- Savage was a controlling, borderline-abusive boyfriend to his beautiful female manager. He grew more respectful when he turned Babyface, but slowly grew more and more controlling and enraged when she showed attention to Hulk Hogan. Eventually, he was driven insane, chasing her away- it would take the end of his in-ring career and Sensational Sherri beating on him to bring Liz back to his side- they were soon married.

    Total: Abilities: 76 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 8 / Powers: 26 / Defenses: 16 (141)

    -When they make those short lists for "The Greatest of All Time", there is one name you will always see on any list that isn't a giant piece of crap: The f***ing Macho Man. I would say that beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is the most complete wrestler ever. Savage was a break-out star in Memphis, and farted around the Southern indies for a shocking 12 years, and then was hired on to the WWF after his baseball career petered out ('twas his first love). He immediately made a huge splash and became a mega-star, his natural charisma overwhelming everyone. He had a great early angle featuring him testing all the Heel managers to see which one he'd pick: he gathered training from each of them, learned a bunch of stuff, then trotted them out and dumped the lot of them, taking his giga-hottie wife Miss Elizabeth as a manager instead.

    -Savage was an AWESOME heel- he wrestled like a psychopath, cheated constantly, and here was this beautiful girl out there that he treated like utter crap, making every man and woman in the audience HATE HIM (women hated his abusive nature; men wanted to "save" Liz). Entire angles would be centered around guys protecting her from getting the crap kicked out of her by the Macho Man (who always seemed about two seconds away from backhanding her over the merest slight), and he'd STILL be using her as a human shield. His work in the ring was unparalleled. I can name maybe five or six guys who equaled Savage for sheer in-ring perfection with their moves- every move he had was beautifully-done. I've seen him do an amazing AIRPLANE SPIN- how do you improve upon the most basic move ever? His timing was impeccable- he's one of those guys who liked to plan matches out ahead of time, which drove some "improv" guys NUTS (Flair & Steamboat hated it), but how many of those guys ever went to five-f***ing-stars with THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR? That's like the pro wrestling equivalent of turning water into wine, or making a good TV series featuring Sinbad.

    -Savage/Liz is probably the greatest angle in wrestling history. At first, every man in the audience was protective of the cute girl in the abusive relationship with the embodiment of all those nutso savages who beat them up in high school. Finally, she was able to bring out the good in him, as he fought to save her from the Honky Tonk Man & the Hart Foundation, and called down Hulk Hogan to team up. The Mega-Powers were the ultimate Babyface Team, and Liz managed them both. But then Savage got jealous, angry over the Hulkster stealing the spotlight (like all great villains, you could kinda see his point), and thinking Hogan had eyes for his woman. Finally, Savage SNAPPED, watching Hogan abandon a tag match to help out an injured Elizabeth. The Mega-Powers EXPLODED, giving us one of the greatest Main Event Feuds in history.

    -Finally, Liz left him. And Savage replaced all that was good about women (pure, pretty, innocent, kind, loyal, sweet) with everything that was bad about them (The Sensational Sherri was slutty, vulgar, destructive, vicious and mean). Sadly, he was downgraded after a fairly quick-for-the-era Hogan feud (they could've gone all YEAR with the heat they had), doing a Ted DiBiase gimmick as an Upper-Card Heel with his "King" deal to waste time. He feuded with slugs like Dusty Rhodes, and never hit the main event for a long time. But the Liz story had a happy ending (well, for a while)- after losing one of the greatest matches of all time to The Ultimate Warrior, he got the hell beaten out of him by an angry Sherri, whose meal ticket was now gone. Who would save Savage but ELIZABETH, hair-tossing Sherri out like a piece of garbage while reconciling with Savage in the middle of the ring. That may be the most perfect moment in wrestling history- people were BAWLING at ringside.

    -Savage returned to the ring (ironically, when he was forcibly retired, he ended up being the most over guy in the promotion) against Jake Roberts, having ANOTHER epic feud between two of the best promo guys in history. A lot of guys would've been overwhelmed by how awesome Heel Jake was, but Savage's raw psychotic energy kept him in the spotlight (his crazy promos were AWESOME, as he spent a whole promo suggesting that he was perfectly sane, then changed his mind at the end, telling everyone how he was going to KILL Jake, then ran off-camera screaming incoherently). He was so over that he was chosen as a temporary World Champion after Hulk Hogan retired, beating Ric Flair in another great feud. It actually kinda sucked that he was dropped so quickly, losing the Title for good by Survivor Series and the Bret Hart Era to take over.

    -It's actually funny around this era, up until the New Generation- Savage was plain and clearly the most over guy in the promotion. Every time he hit the ring the crowds LOVED HIM- stuff at the Survivor Series drove people nuts when he'd kick the snot out of all the heels. I actually think Savage would've been as good a choice as anyone to carry the company, but it just wasn't to be- Vince just thought of him as a Commentator and that was that. Despite that, he STILL had the best single Yokozuna match in history. His WCW run... really, I never cared for it. He'd gotten REALLY skinny in the later WWF era (post-roids after the Steroid Trials), but then jacked up SERIOUSLY for WCW. He was a secondary Hogan guy again, getting a few forgettable runs with the WCW Title. He joined, then left, then joined the nWo, and I really lost track of what he was doing around this time- he'd get these sudden monster pushes, but then he'd leave and you wouldn't see him for months, and when he was with the nWo, he was overwhelmed with all of the big Main Event names in the stable (at one point, it was Hogan, Nash, Hall, Giant AND Savage in one group, with Bischoff as a Mega-Heel Leader). When he made a big return with "Team Madness" (adding an aged Medusa, his useless T&A girlfriend Gorgeous George, and Miss Madness, aka Molly Holly as a green rookie), but was still just another guy in the mix. Around this time he got a bad rep for being crazy, hurt Charles Robinson with an Elbow (he basically landed on him full-force, breaking his ribs), and he eventually left wrestling for good.

    -Unfortunately, Vince never seemed to forgive Savage for bailing on him all those years ago. The snubbing was so obvious that fans created the "Savage raped a teenage Stephanie" rumour that has never really been confirmed (some, like Meltzer I think, suggest it's the only possible reason, while others "in the know" say it's not that), but I've heard that Vince was just pissed that the valuable Slim Jim promotional deal went to WCW with Savage, costing Vince a LOT of money. Others say it's a matter of principal- Savage said he'd stick around, then broke his promise and quit. But it's just tragic that Savage never got into the Hall of Fame while he was alive, and THEN he was just the ultimate Albatross hanging around the Hall of Fame's neck- sure it's often just a Vanity Project, but it's a nice way to pay some tribute to the Vince-loyal stars. That one of the biggest names of the Eighties & Nineties never got in until 2015 is ridiculous.

    -All-in-all, it's hard to find a more total package as a wrestler- most guys who were equal to him in workrate were smaller guys with worse bodies. Most guys as roided as him were slow as hell, or gym-bunnies with no personality. Most guys who were as good at talking used it to hide their smaller physiques. But a guy having ALL THREE THINGS in high numbers? Nearly impossible. To me, Savage is the single greatest star of all time- he combined EVERYTHING a wrestler could be. The only flaw I can see is the old "oh, but he had to plan out all of his matches" thing, and the fact that when he was dogging it, he'd just do the "Take tons of opponent's offense, then come back with two moves and win" match. But again, the end result is what's important to me.

    -Savage represents the challenges of building "real people" in M&M stats- the system is designed for Supers, so there's a logjam in the bottom-end of stats. Savage & The Rock have the same Strength and Toughness, which seems odd because Rock is about forty pounds heavier and a lot stronger. BUT Savage doesn't fit a Strength 2, and Rock doesn't fit a Strength 4 (nor does +4 damage seem appropriate- that's getting close to some GUNS), so two muscular dudes end up in similar stat areas, but Savage is a bit more crazy (he did NOT invent that part of his wrestling persona) and athletic, and a better worker.

    -Unlike the other characters, Macho Man has TWO Gold versions- he's just THAT awesome. One drains the Adrenaline of the entire opposing team when he hits the Macho Drop, and the other increases the Fighting Skill and Health of his ENTIRE TEAM. This makes The Macho King easily the best version.
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Savage was inducted this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabroniville View Post
    Can't say enough about how good Vince was in that role, either. Not only was he nasty and vicious, but he was super-willing to "show ass" in the feud and take a colossal number of ass-kickings and humiliations. Austin brutalized him SO MUCH during that period- my favorite is either the time Austin murdered him in that Steel Cage (with Vince taking a MAN-SIZED bump to show the boys he was willing to do anything they would), or when Austin assaulted him in the hospital, beat him with a bed pan, and then anally-violated him with a catheter ("YOU VIOLATED ME, AUSTIN! YOU VIOLATED ME!"
    {nods} Although, if you read through the various biographies, it was a huge mistake for a wrestler to beat him outside of the staged shows. He was apparently notorious for rough-housing with the wrestlers and then firing anyone who succeeded in taking him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrozen View Post
    Savage was inducted this year.
    Derp- I was re-reading the bio I wrote last time I built Savage (the man, not the Video Game Character), and missed that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrozen View Post
    That is the difference between Vince and Trips & Steph. Ric Flair actually pointed this out when he compared the 4 Horseman to the nWo.

    Vince knew the heel had to be humiliated and get their comeuppance. The hero had to get some wins. The heel got more heat when they showed up the next night making excuses and doubling down.

    Trips & Steph are never humiliated or really defeated just like the nWo was never really humiliated or really defeated.
    Yeah, I think my ultimate "F*ck it- I'm done with this" moment was, barely a month after the Authority was FINALLY unseated at Survivor Series thanks to Dolph Ziggler... they threatened Cena into putting them right back in their old position. We couldn't even be rid of them for THAT long! The occasional humiliations (Steph getting dumped in slop my Vickie Guerrero; Triple-H losing to Daniel Bryan after cutting that HILARIOUSLY-conceited promo about how great he was) cant make up for them winning ALL THE TIME. And so SMUGLY, too! Their cocky little smirks really just come off horribly thanks to them always winning.

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    Everyone of these should have a Feature and Complication that the computer will block everything you do. Since you want to be authentic and all

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    BIG E (Ettore Ewen, aka Big E Langston)- STRONGMAN
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    5'11" Wgt: 285 lbs.
    Nicknames: None
    Role: Powerhouse Wrestler
    Group Affiliations: The New Day
    PL 8 (96), PL 9 (96) Boosts
    STRENGTH
    6 STAMINA 6 AGILITY 2
    FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

    Skills:
    Athletics 3 (+9)
    Expertise (Promos) 2 (+3)
    Intimidation 7 (+8)
    Perception 2 (+2)

    Advantages:
    Fast Grab, Extraordinary Effort, Improved Grab, Improved Hold, Ranged Attack 4, Ultimate Strength Check

    Powers:
    "Super Moves- Strongman Crush/Spinal Smasher" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) [1]
    "The Big Ending" Strength-Damage +4 (Feats: Indirect) (Extras: Multiattack 10) (Inaccurate -2) [13]

    "Strength Training" Enhanced Advantages 1: Close Attack 1 (Flaws: Must First Block Attack) [1]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +10 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
    Special Moves +8 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
    Big Ending +6 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Strength Training:
    Unarmed +11 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
    Special Moves +9 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
    Big Ending +7 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Initiative +2

    Defenses:
    Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +6, Fortitude +8, Will +4

    Complications:
    Power Loss (Special Moves)- Special Moves require "Adrenaline", which is gained over the course of a match. Special Moves cannot be done until Round 3, and Super Move/Finishers until Round 5.

    Total: Abilities: 54 / Skills: 14--7 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 15 / Defenses: 14 (96)

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    BIG E (Ettore Ewen, aka Big E Langston)- PANTHEON
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    5'11" Wgt: 285 lbs.
    Nicknames: None
    Role: Powerhouse Wrestler
    Group Affiliations: The New Day
    PL 9 (104), PL 10 (104) Boost
    STRENGTH
    7 STAMINA 7 AGILITY 2
    FIGHTING 11 DEXTERITY 2
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 1

    Skills:
    Athletics 3 (+9)
    Expertise (Promos) 2 (+3)
    Intimidation 7 (+8)
    Perception 2 (+2)

    Advantages:
    Fast Grab, Extraordinary Effort, Improved Grab, Improved Hold, Ranged Attack 4, Ultimate Strength Check

    Powers:
    "Super Moves- Strongman Crush/Spinal Smasher" Strength-Damage +2 (Inaccurate -1) [1]
    "The Big Ending" Strength-Damage +4 (Feats: Indirect) (Extras: Multiattack 10) (Inaccurate -2) [13]

    "Blessing of Strength" Enhanced Strength 1 (Extras: Area- 30ft. Burst, Reaction +3) (Flaws: Fades, Limited to After Hitting a Special Move) [3]

    Offense:
    Unarmed +11 (+7 Damage, DC 22)
    Special Moves +9 (+9 Damage, DC 24)
    Big Ending +7 (+11 Damage, DC 26)
    Blessing of Strength:
    Unarmed +11 (+8 Damage, DC 23)
    Special Moves +9 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
    Big Ending +7 (+12 Damage, DC 27)
    Initiative +2

    Defenses:
    Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +11 (DC 21), Toughness +7, Fortitude +9, Will +4

    Complications:
    Power Loss (Special Moves)- Special Moves require "Adrenaline", which is gained over the course of a match. Special Moves cannot be done until Round 3, and Super Move/Finishers until Round 5.

    Total: Abilities: 60 / Skills: 14--7 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 17 / Defenses: 14 (104)

    -Easily the least-popular and most-obscure character in the game, I can only imagine Big E (he dropped his surname "Langston" because the company digs shorter names) is in because they wanted another black guy. Not that there isn't numerous amounts of black guys in company history, but he's one of the few notable ones around now, I guess. I woulda gone with the more-acrobatic Kofi Kingston, though. A star collegiate athlete in weightlifting (his short, stocky frame makes him ideal for power-lifting), Big E was quickly signed by the size-conscious WWE, who made him a big name in NXT. He debuted in WWE proper as an enforcer working for A.J. Lee & Dolph Ziggler, but didn't get up to much. He received a quickie push to the Intercontinental Title, but the belt had lost its significance by that point, and so it was scarcely a push. Seriously, WWE REALLY doesn't use the IC Title that well- CURTIS AXEL, the useless son of Mr. Perfect, held the belt for MONTHS and did nothing with it. Big E was no different, pretty much just defending against midcarders before he was beaten by Bad News Barrett. Shortly thereafter, he descended back into the midcard, where he really got a bad rep for mediocre, botch-filled matches. It wasn't until he was set up with two other black wrestlers who weren't doing anything- Xavier Woods & Kofi Kingston- that he got something else to do.

    -As The New Day, the group had a... fairly uncomfortable gimmick. Seriously, Vince likes black wrestlers who clap, smile and dance alot. Really, REALLY easy to read connotations into that. His Happy Dancing Black Guys stable failed to get over with the live crowds to the point where they got SERIOUSLY booed... but unlike most times where this happens lately, the group was turned heel, becoming an effective sarcastic band of jackasses.

    -Big E is a fairly low-end guy, having a Bronze version with a weird boost (a 10% chance at gaining "Unblockable" moves for 6 seconds if he blocks an attack first), and a Silver version who can slightly enhanced the Strength of his team after hitting a Special Move).

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    Big E? Really? No Mark Henry, no Viscera, no Booker T, no New Jack, no Bobby Lashley, no Stevie Ray, no Ahmed Johnson or Koko B. Ware? And that's what I can name off the top of my head. Not exactly hugely great wrestlers, but given I have only a passing interest in wrestling, they must've left an impression on me (then again, it also helps when my friends are massive wrestling fans, so there is that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BS Digital Q View Post
    Big E? Really? No Mark Henry, no Viscera, no Booker T, no New Jack, no Bobby Lashley, no Stevie Ray, no Ahmed Johnson or Koko B. Ware? And that's what I can name off the top of my head. Not exactly hugely great wrestlers, but given I have only a passing interest in wrestling, they must've left an impression on me (then again, it also helps when my friends are massive wrestling fans, so there is that).
    To be fair, I think Viscera may be the only guy in that list more obscure than Big E. And I say that as someone who liked Viscera.

    But yeah, Mark Henry should have been in this over Big E.
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