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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinos View Post
    Sorry, I haven't been following this thread in a while so I decided to go through it today and.... what? WHAT? Unicorn and Zombie? WHAT?

    Take about a weapon of terrible implication. I can't think of implications more terrible than this.
    just remember, anytime you see something like that...

    A wizard did it.

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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    But... that means... that... that...

    That's some Greek Mythology shit right there, yo.

    Me, I'm just wondering which was the father, and which was the mother.

    Have fun picturing that .

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    Aja




    AJA LEITH
    Created By:
    Christy Marx
    Role: The Driver, The Angry One
    Voice Actor: Cathianne Blore
    PL 5 (68)
    STRENGTH
    1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
    FIGHTING 3 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 5 (+7)
    Athletics 6 (+7)
    Deception 3 (+6)
    Expertise (Rock Star- Guitars) 10 (+13)
    Intimidation 1 (+4)
    Investigation 3 (+5)
    Perception 3 (+5)
    Persuasion 1 (+4)
    Stealth 1 (+5)
    Technology 2 (+4)
    Vehicles 7 (+7)

    Advantages:
    Benefit 1 (Wealth), Improved Defense, Improved Trip, Inspire, Ranged Attack 2, Teamwork

    Offense:
    Unarmed +3 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
    Initiative +4

    Defenses:
    Dodge +4 (DC 14), Parry +4 (DC 14), Toughness +2, Fortitude +3, Will +6

    Complications:
    Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
    Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
    Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
    Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
    Relationship (Craig Phillips)- Aja is in love with Craig, who is actually the brother of Stormer, one of The Misfits! Craig is bolder and more confident than his sister, though.
    Fame- Aja is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
    Relationship (The Holograms)- Aja grew up with Jerrica and the others, and does not like being apart from them.

    Total: Abilities: 34 / Skills: 42--21 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (68)

    -Aja is possibly the blandest of the original Holograms, personality-wise. While Jem was the Main Character and generally flawless, Kimber was impulsive and (let's face it) stupid, and Shana was shy and underconfident, Aja was "The Lancer" of sorts, being a more angry, sarcastic individual who would take people to task for their screw-ups and actually yell at and/or threaten The Misfits. However, since she was also a GOOD GUY, and a member of the Moral Guardian Holograms, she was reined in quite a lot, and it took any potential "edge" off of her. They could have really gone somewhere by making her kind of Misfit-like in personality. As it stood, she ended up in the background more often, and had fewer "focus" episodes than the others. Even episodes in which she was shown with recurring boyfriend Craig "brother of Stormer" Phillips did not feature her as the main plotline- they were always a subplot to the main deal (Royal English lineages, searching for Ba Nee's father, etc.). In a show with SIXTY-FIVE EPISODES, having one of the core 4-5 characters have this little to do is rather inexcusable.

    -Physically, Aja is the most impressive Hologram, with the highest Strength & Toughness, though she's still weaker than your average Mook. Her physicality was played up a bit, as she was the "drill instructor" when the Holograms were excercising. She's also the group's main Driver.
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    Shana




    SHANA ELMSFORD
    Created By:
    Christy Marx
    Role: The Shy One
    Voice Actor: Cindy McGee
    PL 4 (56)
    STRENGTH
    0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
    FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 3 (+6)
    Athletics 4 (+4)
    Deception 2 (+5)
    Expertise (Rock Star- Guitars & Drums) 10 (+13)
    Expertise (Fashion Designer) 8 (+11)
    Investigation 3 (+6)
    Perception 3 (+6)
    Stealth 1 (+4)
    Vehicles 2 (+2)

    Advantages:
    Benefit 1 (Wealth), Improved Defense, Inspire 2, Ranged Attack 1, Teamwork

    Offense:
    Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +6

    Complications:
    Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
    Responsibility (Timid)- Shana is very non-confrontational and shy. She doesn't like approaching others, and usually has to be goaded into doing it.
    Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
    Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
    Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
    Relationship (Anthony Julian)- No sooner does a male black supporting character show up, than the Holograms basically throw Shana at him ("Your genitalia is the same colour! It's a perfect match!"). They're exclusive to each other, but he only exists to give her advice about her relationships with her career or the Holograms.
    Fame- Shana is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
    Relationship (The Holograms)- Shana grew up with Jerrica and the others, and does not like being apart from them.

    Total: Abilities: 26 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (56)

    -Shana is the sweetest and shiest of the Holograms, which led to her being a bit of a wallflower and non-confrontational in nature. Actually, she's a rather unique character in animation, being so shy and timid, ESPECIALLY when you consider that she's the black girl of the team, and seemingly would have to be the "Sassy Black Woman" stereotype, given what we see in animation these days. When you think about it, most cartoon characters are all ACTION and flying off the handle, so it's unusual to see someone who authentically cries when she thinks someone's being mean to her, rather than the anime-style "Fountain of Tears" effect or comical-shyness. Even when she was a teenager (and the proto-Holograms were all orphans, save Jerrica & Kimber), she had to be coaxed into opening up by Jerrica and the other girls.

    -The writers worked a bit to give her more to do, as she became the group's Fashion Designer (a role partially-given to side character Regine DeCesare later on), and switched off the Drums for a Guitar once the group got a new member. That episode set was kind of funny, since Shana offered to go to this fancy dream-job in fashion, and the Holograms were happy for her, even suggesting they'll have a talent search to temporarily replace her. Cue the tears, and "You mean you... you WANT me to go?"- not much of a Willful individual, this one. Thankfully, she recovered from that silliness pretty quickly, though the job turned out to be pretty sucky (her boss was a bitch), and she was back with her bandmates before long. Also she is the reincarnation of Jean Lafitte's bride, so got mixed up with some hoodoo in New Orleans.
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    Kimber Benton





    oh, the crushing Young Jab did on Kimber...

    KIMBER BENTON
    Created By:
    Christy Marx
    Role: The Shy One
    Voice Actor: Cathianne Blore
    PL 4 (47)
    STRENGTH
    0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
    FIGHTING 1 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 0 AWARENESS 0 PRESENCE 4

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 3 (+6)
    Athletics 4 (+4)
    Deception 1 (+5)
    Expertise (Rock Star- Keyboards & Songwriting) 10 (+14)
    Investigation 3 (+3)
    Perception 3 (+6)
    Persuasion 3 (+7)
    Stealth 1 (+4)

    Advantages:
    Benefit 1 (Wealth), Daze (Deception), Inspire, Luck, Ranged Attack 1, Taunt, Teamwork

    Offense:
    Unarmed +1 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +6

    Complications:
    Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
    Responsibility (Immature)- Kimber is flighty, irresponsible and very much an in-the-moment kind of person. She'd get married just to "have a big party!", set two dates up for the same time, quit the Holograms the second she felt unappreciated, and more. She's also the easiest of the group to fool by FAR.
    Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
    Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
    Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
    Relationship (Two Guys)- Kimber loves both an actor and a stuntman, and has trouble choosing between them. She often plays them against each other, and impetuously wanted to marry one when the other wanted to wait.
    Fame- Kimber is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
    Relationship (The Holograms)- Kimber is devoted to the band, unless something distracts her ("ooh, shiny!"). While she loves her sister dearly, Kimber finds Jerrica boring, and often gets annoyed at the focus Jem receives. Aja is a taskmaster, and Shana is too much of a pushover for her, as well.

    Total: Abilities: 18 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 8 (47)

    -Kimber is probably the most dynamic and drama-crazy member of the main cast, with her legendary impetuousness and infantile behavior. Not to mention her own boy problems (various crushes and paramours came and went, including one hilarious fight scene during an "Archie Moment" on Kimber's part when she set two dates for the same time). Kimber's impulse control was basically non-existant, and she caused a huge chunk of the group's problems by storming off after a random fight or something- generally speaking, if a protagonist got the group into trouble, it was either Kimber or a Starlight Girl.

    -Kimber even QUIT the Holograms at one point (when they were insisting on a fast beat when she wanted a slow ballad for her new song), which revealed just how important she was to the rest of the group- not only is she the Songwriter for the band, but she set up all of their cues and timing, so they were a MESS in concert without her. And of course she hooked up with Stormer, changed her look to be more punk-ish, and they had Harley & Ivy-levels of sexual tension between them. Seriously, despite the singing in their "Duo Song" I'm Okay being unlike either of their normal speaking voices, they were an immediate hit, and started becoming inseparable pals. And you don't need the Yuri Goggles to see the ULTRA-gay nature of this hook-up, either. When one girl starts DRESSING more like the other, it practically looks identical to all those "Coming Of Age" sexual-awakening tales featuring young lesbians (not that I... uh, watch those... or anything...).

    -I also had a pretty big crush on Kimber back in the day, and since I was probably six or seven or something, that probably makes her my first crush ever. So yeah, here's to hottie cartoon characters! But like I said, Kimber was the driving force for a lot of the show's drama- quitting the group, storming off, getting engaged before she's ready, being mistasken for the Princess of a kingdom (The Princess and The Rock Star, and you can pretty much guess the entire plot just from that), managing to survive TWO hundred-plus-foot falls into water without a scratch, etc. She even once had a breakdown over her father's death- she'd been carrying the burden with her for a long time (Jerrica had dealt earlier in the series, in a more mature manner- Kimber was just acting tempermental during Father's Day), only to come to terms with it thanks to PIZZAZZ's father! By adding so many negative traits to one character, the writers actually managed to make her the most interesting one of the bunch, in my opinion.

    -The modern comic Kimber is... a bit odd. She's openly interested in girls, like six feet tall, and has a bunch of her head shaved. At least she's still a giant, crush-happy nut.
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Some of the more-classic Jem songs and videos:

    JEM & THE HOLOGRAMS:
    It's Only Me and the Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szREvnc75uw
    Come On In, The Water's Fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=X1dbqCntfh4 (you know it's targeted towards girls because they're mermaids. Also, HELLZ YEAH to there being clamshell bras!!)
    Jealousy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JZd1BuflrU (WTF is up with Kimber having two keyboards?)
    She's Got The Power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaRQnPrM9oc (you will NEVER GUESS which cartoon & comic book writer wrote this episode in which every female character is wearing a magician girl outfit. NEVER)

    THE MISFITS:
    I Am A Giant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=KBRkUEzGYGg
    Universal Appeal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptVxtDYEjpA (EPIC song and video. The best animation in 1980s cartoons)
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    Raya




    SO MUCH HAIR.

    RAYA (Carmen Alonso)
    Created By:
    Christy Marx
    Role: The Newbie
    Voice Actor: Linda Dangcil
    PL 4 (50)
    STRENGTH
    0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
    FIGHTING 2 DEXTERITY 0
    INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 2

    Skills:
    Acrobatics 3 (+6)
    Athletics 4 (+4)
    Deception 2 (+4)
    Expertise (Rock Star- Drums) 11 (+13)
    Investigation 2 (+5)
    Perception 3 (+5)
    Stealth 1 (+4)
    Vehicles 2 (+2)

    Advantages:
    Beginner's Luck, Benefit 1 (Wealth), Inspire 2, Ranged Attack 1, Teamwork

    Offense:
    Unarmed +2 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
    Initiative +3

    Defenses:
    Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +6

    Complications:
    Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
    Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
    Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
    Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
    Relationship (Family)- Raya is the only member of the Holograms not to be an orphan- she loves her parents dearly, though only her father really supported her decision to become a rock star.
    Fame- Raya is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
    Relationship (The Holograms)- As the newbie, Raya still openly looks up to her bandmates.

    Total: Abilities: 24 / Skills: 30--15 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 5 (50)

    -Raya is essentially the "New Toy" character from the second season of the show. The quartet gained a fourth member when Shana temporarily-left to work on her fashion career, and a Talent Search was organized. The two finalists were Carmen Alonso (nicknamed "Raya") and Craig Phillips, the brother of Stormer from The Misfits. A climactic concert was performed with the two rival drummers, while at the same time Eric Raymond was bribing Raya into giving up Jem's real identity. Coincidentally, Raya had accidentally stumbled INTO said identity only a little while before! Needing the money for her father's wrecked flower shop (guess who was responsible?), Raya nonetheless did the right thing and rejected Raymond, uncovered the Misfit plot to wreck her dad's shop, and won the contest. She was eventually invited to join the Holograms full-time.

    -Sadly, after that point, there was nothing for Raya to do. She was given less personality, and her biggest personality traits were taken up by others: too shy to confront the group and perform at first, she was out-done in the "shy" department by Shana already, and she couldn't even do the "gullible rookie" bit, since KIMBER had that role locked up! And honestly, in the ENTIRETY of the Post-Raya Episodes of the series, she doesn't do a single thing. She kinda flirts with a Mexican tour guide, but that's the extent of it. She barely even had any lines! Kind of disappointing.
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    Re: Jab's Builds!

    Found a great article criticizing modern PC Apology Culture- I posted it in the "Sidekicks Lounge", but I figured I'd also stick it here (apologies for using an expression that sounds vaguely phallic and heteronormative ).

    I found this article interesting, and pretty relevant to a lot of what's going on in comics and our culture: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainme...Bmc?ocid=HPDHP

    I especially liked John Cleese's assertion that being overly-PC is actually a bit racist in and of itself: "Make jokes about Swedes and Germans and French and English and Canadians and Americans, why can't we make jokes about Mexicans? Is it because they are so feeble that they can't look after themselves? It's very very condescending there."

    It's funny, because watching some clips from All In The Family and I'm SHOCKED at the stuff Archie Bunker said. No way could any character speak like that on network television today- they don't have the balls.

    I find some of it funny too, because a lot of people demanding PC and "checking your privilege" are doing so to protect gays... and the gay people I know are BY FAR the most un-PC people you could ever hope to meet !

    Also, LOL and Dennis Miller's comments being so... Dennis Miller-y.

    Yesterday, Jerry Seinfeld — a famously “clean” comic known for staying away from controversial issues — issued some strong words on the topic of political correctness. After stating that political correctness is hurting comedy and railing on college kids for being too sensitive on an ESPN podcast, he later went on Seth Meyers to say that “there’s a creepy PC thing out there that really bothers me," because some of his old routines riffing on gay men no longer play well with audiences.

    Conservatives and comedians don’t tend to agree on a lot, but a shared rallying cry for both has been the area of political correctness. Lately, more and more comedians have been speaking out against political correctness, arguing that audiences’ increased sensitivities and tendencies to take offense stifles comedic freedom. These issues came to a head with the recent Trevor Noah flap, in which people dug up a number of old sexist and racist tweets belonging to the soon-to-be "Daily Show" host. While Noah was roundly criticized in the media, a number of comics came to his defense, arguing that the problem wasn't Noah's bad jokes, but an overly sensitive public. As Jim Norton wrote in Time, "Trevor, while tweeting things with the intention of being funny, had gone … yes, you guessed it – over the line!... In his rush to be funny, he had broken what has become the new golden rule in American public life, which is to never say anything (or, God forbid, joke about anything) that may be deemed even remotely offensive or upsetting by any segment of the population for any reason thoroughly addicted to."

    There's also the argument that comedians in particular are held to an unfair standard of scrutiny given the fact that their art form requires that they publicly workshop material. As Chris Rock put it in a New York Magazine piece a few months prior to the Noah controversy, "Prince doesn’t run a demo on the radio. But in stand-up, the demo gets out. There are a few guys good enough to write a perfect act and get onstage, but everybody else workshops it and workshops it, and it can get real messy. It can get downright offensive."

    While some female comedians are critical of PC culture, too, the most outspoken opponents of political correctness have tended to be men pushing back against today's climate of increased public scrutiny. That scrutiny isn't universally denounced, though. As Lindy West smartly wrote in a Guardian piece (which is worth reading in full): “It’s so-called political correctness that gave me the courage and the vocabulary to demand better than that from the community I love. Yes, this cultural evolution is bumpy, but what Seinfeld and some other comedians see as a threat, I see as doors being thrown open to more and more voices.” Or as John Hodgman wrote in a brilliant twitter rant in response to Jonathan Chait’s recent essay in New York Magazine, “I will say that the 'PC' critiques, even at their most infuriating to me, almost always make me think and yes check my privilege...I am glad to give these issues thought. It enlarges me.”

    Still, not all comedians embrace those critiques. Here are ten comics explaining why they think political correctness is killing comedy.

    1. Chris Rock

    In an interview with Frank Rich in New York Magazine, Chris Rock said he stopped playing colleges because they are too conservative: “Not in their political views — not like they’re voting Republican — but in their social views and their willingness not to offend anybody." He also discussed how the prevalence of social media forces comedians into self-censorship. As he put it: “It is scary, because the thing about comedians is that you’re the only ones who practice in front of a crowd. Prince doesn’t run a demo on the radio. But in stand-up, the demo gets out. There are a few guys good enough to write a perfect act and get onstage, but everybody else workshops it and workshops it, and it can get real messy. It can get downright offensive. Before everyone had a recording device and was wired like fucking Sammy the Bull, you’d say something that went too far, and you’d go, “Oh, I went too far,” and you would just brush it off. But if you think you don’t have room to make mistakes, it’s going to lead to safer, gooier stand-up. You can’t think the thoughts you want to think if you think you’re being watched.”

    2. John Cleese

    The former Python has been particularly outspoken in his views against PC culture. As he put it in an interview with Bill Maher, Cleese dismissed political correctness as “condescending,” saying “It starts as a half way decent idea and then it goes completely wrong and is taken ad absurdum,” and explaining how he stopped making race-related jokes after audiences were angered by jokes about Mexicans in his routine. As he put it “Make jokes about Swedes and Germans and French and English and Canadians and Americans, why can't we make jokes about Mexicans? Is it because they are so feeble that they can't look after themselves? It's very very condescending there.”

    3. Russell Peters

    Canadian comic Russell Peters told George Stroumboulopoulos that he too thinks that society has become overly sensitive. As he put it, "If you look at TV in the ‘70s versus TV now, and you see the things people said back in the day – they said the most off-colour stuff and nobody’s feelings were hurt. Do you know why? Because it’s about intent. The intent then was to make you laugh. And the intent is still to make you laugh, but they’ve drilled it in into your head that you’re not supposed to laugh at this."

    4. Scott Capurro

    The fiercely polemical comic wrote a long screed about political correctness in Time Out, arguing for the importance of pushing boundaries, especially from his vantage point as a gay comedian seeking to “test audiences and see if words could change their perceptions.” As he put it, “I don't ever want the audience to know what side I'm on. I've got no sides. I'm trying to deliver more than one argument. I'm like the US Army: I don't take a position, I'm just there to help clear up this mess of confusion about political correctness, because there is none. Everyone's boundaries are different, thank Goddess. If we all agreed, nothing would be funny. If at least parts of the crowd aren't shaking or angry by the end of my set, they haven't got their money's worth and I feel a bit dirty, like I've let down the contingency of cantankerous, crabby, clarifying comics by smothering myself in sticky, gooey kindness.” He concluded that “comics shed light. We're as necessary as a lightbulb, yet harder to replace.”

    5. Daniel Lawrence Whitney (Larry the Cable Guy)

    In an interview with 60 Minutes, the famed Nebraskan stand-up agreed that political correctness had gone way too far. As he put it, “It's gotten way outta control. You know. I really think that we're at a point in this country where people really need to take the thumb outta their mouth and grow up a little bit and realize there's a lot bigger problems out there than what a comedian did a joke about.” His “politically correct" version of "The Night Before Christmas” similarly gets the point across:

    6. Patton Oswalt

    As Salon readers know, Oswald has long taken issue with political correctness. After the Trevor Noah controversy, he sent out a long string of humorous tweets riffing on peoples’ tendency to take offense at the slightest provocation. And, as he put it in Salon’s own interview with him, “Comedians have always been the best conduit to the forgotten, to the outsiders, to the inarticulate. We speak for the underdogs, for the most part. That’s what most comedians do. If Salon is doing articles about, 'Did the Onion go too far?' or 'Why does ‘Last Week Tonight with John Oliver’ have to be hosted by another straight, white male?' then you are now just picking, out of context, these buzzwords. You’re asking questions that don’t need to be asked. The content of what John Oliver does is so revolutionary and so amazing that if you’re going to just pick it apart, you’re making progressives look like people that can count beans but can’t make soup.”

    7. Jim Norton

    Norton is another comic who has expressed annoyance with online outrage culture, particularly in his special “Contextually Inadequate." Weighing in on the Trevor Noah flap in Time, Norton says that Western culture has become a “tireless brigade of social-justice warriors” and that “Being outraged and upset and feeling bullied or offended are not only things we enjoy, they’re also things we have become thoroughly addicted to. When we can’t purposefully get our feelings hurt by a comedian, we usually find another, albeit less satisfying, source of indignation… I choose to believe that we are addicted to the rush of being offended, the idea of it, rather than believing we have become a nation of emasculated children whose only defense against an abyss of emotional agony is a trigger warning.”

    8. Gilbert Gottfried

    The controversial comic — who got in trouble online back in 2011 for some jokes he made about the tsunami in Japan — penned a piece for Playboy called “The Apology Epidemic,” arguing that our current apology culture has gone too far. As he put it, “It’s the modern equivalent of ringing someone’s doorbell and running away. We’re more vindictive than we’ve ever been, but we’re also cowards.”

    In Gottfried’s opinion, its not just the internet, but inside comedy clubs as well, where PC culture is taking its toll. “Imagine if the most brilliant comedians in history were working today. They’d never stop apologizing. Charlie Chaplin would have to apologize to all the homeless people he belittled with his Little Tramp character. W.C. Fields and Dean Martin would both have to apologize to alcoholics. The Marx brothers would have to apologize to Italians, mutes and uptight British ladies. Comedy has been around for a long, long time, and there have been a lot of impolite, unpleasant and jaw-droppingly politically incorrect jokes…. You went up there as a comic and joked about it all and nothing was off-limits. And to this day, nobody has died from a single joke.”

    9. Lisa Lampanelli

    The edgy comic wrote a piece in the Hollywood Reporter titled “How Political Correctness is Killing Comedy,” writing “Here’s the problem: Comedy, probably more than any other art form, is subjective. What jokes crack up your mom, your little brother, and your gay best friend will be completely different -- unless it’s a video of a guy getting hit in the gonads with a piñata stick. That’s funny to everyone….If you like safe, generic comedy, that’s fine. Go on a cruise ship and crack up listening to the comedian point out the hilarious differences between loafers and shoes with laces. But don’t go to one of my shows and be outraged by what you hear. Going to my show and expecting me not to cross the line of good taste and social propriety is like going to a Rolling Stones concert and expecting not to hear 'Satisfaction.'”

    10. Dennis Miller

    One of the few big-name comics who is also a conservative, Miller is certainly no fan of PC culture. In his book of rants, Miller devotes a whole chapter to the issue, writing “trying to negotiate straits of what's acceptably funny nowadays is like trying to navigate through the Sargasso Sea of plastic toadstools in the middle of a bumper pool table. Miller acknowledges that he understands where political correctness comes from, “but now, suddenly, we find ourselves in a classic overcorrection, where we're all supposed to zip through life like some huge societal squadron of Blue Angels, flying six inches off each other's taste wing, never ever deviating even one angstrom. Well, folks, there are a lot of different aircraft careening through the social stratosphere, and we better start working out some respectfully independent glide paths right now, or it's gonna start getting really messy….Why don't we start by letting humor serve as our guide? Laughter is one of the great beacons in life because we don't defract it by gunning it through our intellectual prism. What makes us laugh is a mystery -- an involuntary response.”



    This article was written by Anna Silman from Salon and was legally licensed through the NewsCred publisher network.

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    Funny enough I tend to agree that the PC thing has become way overblown. In a way its ok for us to be outraged and PC over something's. Things like Poverty, racism, sexism, corruption, police brutality, income inequality. these are things we should rightfully be offended at and seek to wipe out.

    But the problem to borrow an old Chinese expression is that we've taken nowadays to using a bazooka to swat a mosquito. The splash damage is not only hitting the intended target but everyone and sundry even remotely related to It by proxy. Millers “but now, suddenly, we find ourselves in a classic overcorrection,".

    The paradox that PC ness has become is I think most represented in some animated circles. Look at Wonder Woman as example we've had umpteen movies about Batman and Superman yet to date weve had one animated feature directly staring wonder woman. Why is that? Certainly there is some sexism involved in the decision, a sexism that has typecast females in various roles DID, feisty princess etc-- for decades. Anita Sarkesians own series explores this in more depth though I actually disagree with a number of things she goes after.

    But at the same time the over reaction of PCness can lead to huge overleaps where only a few minor steps need to be taken. I still remember when the PC police started in on Looney tunes as too violent, making fun of stuttering people or people with lisps and speech impediments not mention the asinine nature of PETAs complaints about animal cruelty.
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    they said the most off-colour stuff and nobody’s feelings were hurt
    I'm not so sure about that. Depends on the quality of the comedian, I guess - some will be capable of making fun of a sensitive subject, others will just manage to be offensive.

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