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Beefing Up Adversaries

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    Quick question regarding the adjustments for making creatures Elite, Heroic or Epic. (Page 104 of the Basic Rules). Are the modifications for each category cumulative?

    For example if I want to make an Elite version of a creature I apply the modifications listed next to Elite. That is straightforward.

    If I wanted to make a Heroic version of a creature, do I first apply the modifications for Elite, and then the modifications for Heroic? Or do I ignore the modifications for Elite and just apply the modifications for Heroic to the base creature?

    I guess it does not matter either way so long as the creature is balanced against the player characters. But for the sake of completeness, I was wondering what the official way of doing it is (assuming there is one).

    Thanks in Advance.

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    Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

    Originally posted by Drewster View Post
    Quick question regarding the adjustments for making creatures Elite, Heroic or Epic. (Page 104 of the Basic Rules). Are the modifications for each category cumulative?

    For example if I want to make an Elite version of a creature I apply the modifications listed next to Elite. That is straightforward.

    If I wanted to make a Heroic version of a creature, do I first apply the modifications for Elite, and then the modifications for Heroic? Or do I ignore the modifications for Elite and just apply the modifications for Heroic to the base creature?

    I guess it does not matter either way so long as the creature is balanced against the player characters. But for the sake of completeness, I was wondering what the official way of doing it is (assuming there is one).

    Thanks in Advance.
    I always applied the modifications in a cumulative way. Since I compared them with the rules for NPCs of different threat levels in the FAGE companion, however, I became doubtful. The cumulative approach seems a bit like overkill. An official ruling would be most welcome.

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      Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

      You apply the template, so it would be to the base stats.

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        Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

        I believe the intent was that you just add what the template asks you to add. Adding both is probably more than they intend for you to do with an adversary, but if you need a nasty challenge that stacking of templates can make a solid threat.
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        • #5
          Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

          Originally posted by Kot the Protector View Post
          I believe the intent was that you just add what the template asks you to add. Adding both is probably more than they intend for you to do with an adversary, but if you need a nasty challenge that stacking of templates can make a solid threat.
          Yeah. The templates are really a quick and dirty GM tool to make beefier adversaries. There's nothing to stop you from using multiple templates other than at that point you're really better off just making your own -- or customizing and applying templates to them.

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            Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

            Thanks all. That answers my query

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            • #7
              Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

              I would love to see something like the Advanced Bestiary available in Fantasy AGE flavor.
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                Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

                Originally posted by Sketchpad View Post
                I would love to see something like the Advanced Bestiary available in Fantasy AGE flavor.
                They sort of did something like that in the Fantasy AGE Bestiary - starting on page 133 called "Modifying Monsters"
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                • #9
                  Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

                  Originally posted by mdlthree View Post
                  They sort of did something like that in the Fantasy AGE Bestiary - starting on page 133 called "Modifying Monsters"
                  I was thinking something with a bit more meat. Like the Advanced Bestiary GR made for Pathfinder.
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                    Re: Beefing Up Adversaries

                    Templates are always fun!
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