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  • #91
    Re: Faces of Thedas Update

    Ha! I'm having Fenris guest star in my campaign next month, so he would be one of the missing profiles! Not to worry though - the new backgrounds sound very interesting. Are there any new specialisations, perchance? As I'm outside the USA, it is probably most cost effective for me to purchase it from Amazon.

    Now, for that Inquisition sourcebook...

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    • #92
      Re: Faces of Thedas Update

      Can I reiterate my request for a Table of Contents?
      Or, perhaps, more useful: a list of all the NPCs included?

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      • #93
        Re: Faces of Thedas Update

        Originally posted by PlatinumWarlock View Post
        Can I reiterate my request for a Table of Contents?
        Or, perhaps, more useful: a list of all the NPCs included?
        CHAPTER 1: FACES OF THEDAS
        Anders, Alistair, Queen Anora, The Archdemon, the Architect, the Mother, Aveline, Barkspawn / Dog, Briala, Cassandra, Celene, Cole, Cullen, The Divine, Dorian Pavus, Duncan, The Feddics, Fiona, Flemeth, Gaspard, Scout Harding, The Iron Bull, Isabela, Josephine, Knight-Commander Meredith, Krem and the Chargers, Lord Seeker Lambert, Leliana, Loghain, Marjolaine, Merrill, Michel, Morrigan, Nathaniel Howe, Oghren, Sebastian, Sera, Sten, Stroud, Varric, Wynne, Yvette, Zevran

        CHAPTER 2: ORGANIZATIONS
        The Assembly, Dwarven Merchants’ Guild, Legion of the Dead, Carta, The Coterie, Raiders of the Waking Sea, The Antaam, The Athlok, The Priesthood, Fog Warriors, Avvars, Chasind, House of Crows, House of Repose, Orlesian Bards, Friends of Red Jenny

        CHAPTER 3: RELATIONSHIPS
        Relationship Bond, Relationships Between Player Characters, Relationship Intensity, Starting Relationships, Changing and Replacing Relationships

        There's a bunch of side bars in chapter two on themes etc and the NPC write ups in chapter one are quire discursive (You get two versions of Andres for example, most entries talk about how to play / advance the NPC in a long running campaign).

        cheers,

        Nick

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        • #94
          Re: Faces of Thedas Update

          It’s a decent list of NPCs. Shale and Fenris probably should have been included - they’d be the more difficult ones to stat out. Tallis was mentioned, and iirc she’s in a Faces of Thedas pdf.

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          • #95
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            I'd like to have seen Felmeth's entry update with what we learned in DA:I. Yes, there's the sidebar about spoilers, but that feels like a relic from when the book was originally written; closer to when the game first came out. The game is coming up on five years old now.

            I think it's safe for the world to know what she is.

            And where is Solas or Corypheus? Again, it feels like their omission is a relic from when the book was first written.

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            • #96
              Re: Faces of Thedas Update

              Originally posted by selderane View Post
              And where is Solas or Corypheus? Again, it feels like their omission is a relic from when the book was first written.
              I’d like to see both of those, as well. However, given Solas’s Place in the setting, I don’t see him as a possibility. And for Corpheus, I imagine for tabletop purposes you could reskin the Architect. That wouldn’t be perfect, but it could be close.

              The point of the guide, IMO, is not to give every character, but to give enough of them to enable you to adapt as necessary. That’s why I think Shale and Fenrir are the bigger losses.

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              • #97
                Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                I guess therein lies the question: what was the focus of the titular 'Faces' in Faces of Thedas?

                If the idea is to stat up the major players of the three DA games, then the omission of characters like Solas, Fenris, Blackwall, and Shale are really large omissions. The idea that someone like Yvette or Marjolaine gets a full stat block, while actual party-NPCs and major adversaries get overlooked seems odd to me. Why not Florienne? Why not Samson or Calpernia? Do we really need stats for Bodahn and Sandal--characters that would likely never see active combat--while we're skipping The Arishok and First Enchanter Orsino (both as himself and as a Harvester Demon)? And not a single member of the Hawke family?

                If the idea of FoT was to focus on quest-giving NPCs and adversaries for our heroes, why include most of the party-NPCs at all? Why not Delrin Barris or some of the Inquisition agents like Charter or Lord Edouard? Stats for Venatori, for Red Lyrium Templars and horrors/shadows/behemoths, would certainly be welcome as enemies, along with the aforementioned Samson and Calpernia, to say nothing of Corypheus himself. Where are all the new demon types? Where's Gereon Alexius or Fairbanks and the Freemen of the Dales?

                For that matter, why was time and space spent rehashing stats for The Archdemon, the Architect, and The Mother? All three of them are already in the corebook...

                I get that there's no pleasing 'everyone' in a book like this, but when we've waited for so long for the book, when the only blurb we had access to promised a legion of "fan-favorite companions" and "deadly antagonists", the choices made here seem increasingly suspect. To be honest, I feel like so much of the planning for this book was slapshod that I find myself dropping from an "instant-buy" into disapproving skepticism.

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                • #98
                  Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                  Originally posted by PlatinumWarlock View Post
                  I get that there's no pleasing 'everyone' in a book like this, but when we've waited for so long for the book, when the only blurb we had access to promised a legion of "fan-favorite companions" and "deadly antagonists", the choices made here seem increasingly suspect. To be honest, I feel like so much of the planning for this book was slapshod that I find myself dropping from an "instant-buy" into disapproving skepticism.
                  I'm beginning to regret my pre-order. All this time and this is what we're left with? Your criticism is dead on - the choices for inclusion and exclusion make no sense.

                  I'm very close to canceling my pre-order, except it kind of feels I get screwed on the deal...

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                  • #99
                    Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                    There probably could have been more, but there’s the section on relationships... which feels out of place in a setting book, but had to go somewhere to bring DAGE up to BRAGE.

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                    • Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                      Also, I wonder if the core book reprints have been updated in a meaningful way.

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                        I'm glad to see Marjolaine is included - I think she makes an excellent antagonist or patron, particularly in pre-5th Blight campaigns. I suppose that the plan had been to publish an Inquisition era sourcebook at some point which would include Samson, Calpurnia, et al. I guess it still could happen, though pondering such might be best kept to another thread.

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                          Originally posted by Parsival View Post
                          I'm glad to see Marjolaine is included - I think she makes an excellent antagonist or patron, particularly in pre-5th Blight campaigns. I suppose that the plan had been to publish an Inquisition era sourcebook at some point which would include Samson, Calpurnia, et al. I guess it still could happen, though pondering such might be best kept to another thread.
                          I agree that Marjolaine is a worthy inclusion, but at what opportunity cost?

                          That space that went to her could have been used for any number of more prominent NPCs; can anyone really make the argument that she's somehow more notable of an adversary or more important than Samson, Orsino, or Corypheus?

                          If the plan shifted away from doing an Inquisition sourcebook, towards including such characters here, Marjolaine would likely have been among my first cuts. Likely in the tier right below Yvette...

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                          • Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                            It came in the mail today! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
                            Tails of Thedas: Roll20. This is what happens when you mix Dragon Age and My Little Pony

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                            • Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                              I received and e-mail from amazon saying it was available. But when I saw the e-mail two hours later it was not available for purchase. I live in Argentina and really Amazon is the only affordable way to get RPG books. Does anyone knows when it is going to be on amazon?
                              Thank you.

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                              • Re: Faces of Thedas Update

                                So, this was just posted to the GR main page, and it appears that someone's listening to the criticism here.

                                I can grok the concept of being unable to use certain characters--Solas is probably top of that list, given the focus of the forthcoming DA4--but I still feel like much of the response comes down to "we felt like doing this character" more than sticking to a given focus on the book.

                                But, simultaneously, there's something telling in having a character like Vivienne missing. Maybe it's just me, but she seems to tick all of the boxes that would make a worthy inclusion:
                                • A playable party member
                                • Occult advisor to the Empress
                                • Head of one of the Circles of Magi
                                • Potentially either 1) The Divine, or 2) the head of the College of Enchanters
                                • Mistress to one of the Council of Heralds


                                She's the sort of character that could have been rival, antagonist, temporary ally, quest-giver and more--the perfect sort of character for a book of this sort, right? Nowhere to be seen.

                                I know I said this about 15 times on the Wonders of Thedas podcast, but Faces of Thedas seems to be at every turn a victim of opportunity cost. With such a huge cast in the DA games, you can't have a book that covers *everybody*, so choices have to be made at some point. To me, inclusion of characters like Marjolaine, the Feddics, and Yvette are symptoms of this greater issue: including characters like these means leaving out someone more fitting. Could Yvette not have been a sidebar in Josephine's entry? It's all well and good that Jack likes her--though I might question the idea of her as romantic foil, given that we have precisely one conversation with her over the course of all DA lore--but I'm sure those two pages could have been devoted to someone like Orsino or Samson, who could serve as a quest-giver and/or adversary. Could Marjolaine not have been fit into Leliana's section? Did we really need to rehash The Architect/The Mother/The Archdemon when we're leaving out major adversaries from both DA2 and DA:I? It's an opportunity lost, in my eyes.

                                This may come out harsher than I mean it to, but I'm somewhat glad that I didn't pay "real money" for FoT. I had enough publisher credit built up that I was able to buy the PDF on DriveThruRPG using that, rather than cash. If I had been looking at FoT as a book of adversaries, I'd be disappointed. If I'd be looking at FoT as a listing of the major players in Thedas, I'd be disappointed. If I'd been looking at FoT as a listing of all the companions and allies, I'd be disappointed. As it is, we got something in the middle that didn't really satisfy any of those categories for me.

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