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    Okay, I didn't see a thread for it yet... even though I've seen and written comments on various aspects...



    But after the first episode... how many people who saw the premiere felt that they saw the premiere when they watched the six minute clip on YouTube?

    This show's story has potential. A lot of it. I won't spoil the reveal on the main baddie, but, damn. Did not see that coming.
    I was annoyed at the whole "I believe in you" spiel. Was actually picturing Harrison Wells saying "Now run, Kara. Run" for a second there.
    Last edited by Bladewind; 26th October 2015, 07:38 PM.
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    I don't hate it.

    But I can't help wonder why Supergirl gave up her powers for ten years while supposedly wanting to help people.

    It's a dichotomy the show doesn't explore.
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    • #3
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      I liked it. I love the energy and enthusiasm that this Supergirl has. I hate angst in superheroes. You are a demigod! Have fun with it!

      My only real quibble is the awkward references to Superman. Can they seriously not even say his name? C'mon Warner Bros., that is just ridiculous. Also, how about a unified DC TV universe? Seriously, let's get some Flash, Arrow, and others doing some crossovers and start mixing things up.

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      • #4
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        The crossovers are not likely, sadly. Different networks...

        Gotta say though, I was pleased that it wasn't a long, drawn out origin ep. It took for granted you knew who her cousin is and what happened to Krypton... And then poof! On Earth and let's get moving.

        Were the appearances of Dean Cain and Helen Slater cameos or will they explore that more at some point?
        Last edited by Bladewind; 27th October 2015, 05:59 AM.
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        • #5
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          I thought it was decent. A bit scattershot, trying to cram a lot of different threads together in a single episode without any real sort of through-line or plot cohesion. Though, hopefully now that the set-up is out of the way, subsequent episodes can be a bit more focused.

          Definitely a stronger first episode than 'Arrow', though not quite as good as 'The Flash'.
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          • #6
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            I feel like this series would have been a lot better had Superman just not been a part of it at all.

            It makes it so Kara starts out "failing" due to her not making it to earth to protect/raise Supes, and then when she does land, he just drops her off with some random family, and completely ignores the supervillain prison that just crash landed on the planet in the process. Then, he apparently does -nothing- about it, which is odd since he's the only hero on the planet, and it doesn't seem like a lot of supercrime is going on.

            Then he can't even come to talk to her in person at the end, he sends his friend to speak for him in proxy to her. It makes Superman come off, as, well, a bit of a jerk.

            Also, the entire "I can't do it" "yes you can" "I can do it!" exchange felt incredibly forced and stupid. They could have easily played up her just luring him into a trap and defeating him, without having her earth sister play cheerleader. They'd already resolved the sisters being back on good terms, and it came across as a last gasp cheap drama pop. No one watching at that point thinks she's gonna fail, and it just makes the character look weak willed.

            And that's not even touching the fact that every problem in the series is possibly Kara's fault in the first place, it's a common drama trope, but at the same time, it's not a very good one in my opinion.

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            • #7
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              Thing is though... none of it is her fault. That`s like blaming Superman for Krypton`s destruction.

              She was in the Phantom Zone (nice twist, that it was a hole in space) and somehow escaped. In escaping - apparently through no action of her own - she pulled out the prison. How exactly was that her fault?

              Play it that way, make her feel guilt, use her to fight the badguys by playing on that guilt... very plausible, very appropriate. But seriously laying that blame at her feet? Really?
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Kyle View Post
                Definitely a stronger first episode than 'Arrow', though not quite as good as 'The Flash'.
                Yeah, pretty much this.

                I don't hate it. I mostly like Melissa Benoist's portrayal. She's charming and expressive.. but it comes across a bit too much like teenage girl angst... not a lot, but a bit. Hardly anyone else on the cast even registers as having any importance or impact whatsoever. The dialog bounces between reasonably good and painfully bad.

                It'll probably grow on me, but it's going to take awhile.

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                • #9
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                  @Stormson: Actually it's worse than you think, since the entire premise of the show is ripping off the later seasons of the old Superboy TV series.

                  As for it's structure I'm calling it now: This will just be the first 4 seasons of Smallville all over again. Swap out teenage angst for "single white female" angst & alien criminals replace meteorite freaks, replace Lana with whatever male love interest they feel the need to put in this series an you will have a by the books "monster of the week" tv show.

                  Also I am predicting now that all of these aliens are going to suffer from Star Trek Alien Syndrome.
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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by saint_matthew View Post
                    Also I am predicting now that all of these aliens are going to suffer from Star Trek Alien Syndrome.
                    That`s not entirely fair - DC itself doesn`t really diverge from that particular trope - save for a few small examples like the Khund (who arguably do fit the trope...)
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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Bladewind View Post
                      That`s not entirely fair - DC itself doesn`t really diverge from that particular trope - save for a few small examples like the Khund (who arguably do fit the trope...)
                      Yeah, but if you're gonna just use the human looking aliens of the DCU, just admit they all look completely human, and then go into the ones with super powers other than just strong and tough. Give me Braalians and Imskians. Give me a Coluian that isn't Brainiac. How about a Durlan. Or, for a real test, how about a White Martian.

                      Heck, it's Kara, give me the Legion of Super Heroes as the flip side to alien criminals on Earth now.

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                      • #12
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                        It was alright. It hit all the right notes, though it was padded in some places. I felt out of the gate, the Jimmy...excuse me...James Olsen character was unnecessary, except to counterpoint the only other racial minority on the show...who's a dillhole (and destined to be a villain eventually if the name is any indication).

                        I got that Kara didn't just want to go out there and be seen as an imitation of her cousin, even though she felt she wanted to do something greater than what she was doing. That's a fairly common real world dynamic, though it generally plays out between siblings. Once she makes the step, she's fairly committed, except not everyone is as happy about it as her...again, while not in this manner, that happens enough in the real world that I'm willing to give it a pass.

                        I thought it odd, they took the Supergirl villain "Lumberjack" and stuck Vartox's name on him, thus taking away one of the most fun anti-hero personalities in the DCU...but whatever.

                        They handled the sfx nicely and used liberal close ups and long range, wide angle shots to counter the goofiness that flying effects can often be subject to.

                        As far as the "monster of the week" format...this exact same format; villain of the week within the context of a larger plot, is exactly what the Flash does and everyone seems to love...so what the hell are you bitching about?

                        I give it a solid "B" as far as premier episodes go.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Yeoman View Post
                          Yeah, but if you're gonna just use the human looking aliens of the DCU, just admit they all look completely human, and then go into the ones with super powers other than just strong and tough. Give me Braalians and Imskians. Give me a Coluian that isn't Brainiac. How about a Durlan. Or, for a real test, how about a White Martian.

                          Heck, it's Kara, give me the Legion of Super Heroes as the flip side to alien criminals on Earth now.
                          I can get completely behind all of that. Durlans and Martians might be a bit beyond the SFX budget though.

                          Originally posted by Horsenhero View Post
                          I thought it odd, they took the Supergirl villain "Lumberjack" and stuck Vartox's name on him, thus taking away one of the most fun anti-hero personalities in the DCU...but whatever.
                          The axe. I bet they just wanted to explain the axe.
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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Yeoman View Post
                            Heck, it's Kara, give me the Legion of Super Heroes as the flip side to alien criminals on Earth now.
                            +1 LoSH. It'd either be brilliant or it'd be horrible...

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Stormson View Post
                              I feel like this series would have been a lot better had Superman just not been a part of it at all.
                              The way they played Superman was really odd. Obviously the character casts a long shadow, and I'm sure the showrunners are saving an actual appearance for some particularly momentous occasion, but they way they kinda dance around even saying his name felt really contrived. Superman is almost always referred to as "my cousin," or "the big guy," or even just "him." It's really unnatural. And I get wanting to save that appearance for later, but dude has a phone, right? Kara could have called him up when she was looking for someone to be happy for her. Or they could have contrived of a reason for Superman to be off-planet or just straight up missing, giving Kara some extra incentive to take up the torch, so to speak.

                              Originally posted by Stormson View Post
                              It makes it so Kara starts out "failing" due to her not making it to earth to protect/raise Supes, and then when she does land, he just drops her off with some random family, and completely ignores the supervillain prison that just crash landed on the planet in the process. Then, he apparently does -nothing- about it, which is odd since he's the only hero on the planet, and it doesn't seem like a lot of supercrime is going on.
                              Maybe it will be addressed later, but yeah, the whole giant supervillain prison crash landing on Earth and nothing really coming of it is weird. Like, obviously the general public isn't aware that it happened, but all these evil alien duders have just been twiddling their thumbs the twelve or thirteen years since their escape?

                              Originally posted by Stormson View Post
                              And that's not even touching the fact that every problem in the series is possibly Kara's fault in the first place, it's a common drama trope, but at the same time, it's not a very good one in my opinion.
                              Well, if you're looking to cast blame, it's her mother's fault for waiting too long to put her in the rocket pod, not giving her time to get clear of the shock wave created by Krypton's destruction. I get that it's an emotional moment, but c'mon lady, you're on a timetable.

                              Originally posted by Horsenhero View Post
                              I thought it odd, they took the Supergirl villain "Lumberjack" and stuck Vartox's name on him, thus taking away one of the most fun anti-hero personalities in the DCU...but whatever.
                              Yeah, Vartox was definitely a disappointment. They could have called the ax-wielding dude anything. Hell, they could have mangled Lumberjack's human name with some unnecessary dashes or apostrophes and pronounced it funny. Using Vartox as a throw-away suicide soldier was a waste.
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