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Spectrum
05-31-2016, 04:22 PM
I'm really new to ICONs and still don't have a good grasp of it yet (at all).

I'm trying to convert this character over. One of the big questions is where my GM (kenma) wants to start things from.

Lillian Sung - PL 8
a
Strength 0, Stamina 5, Agility 0, Dexterity 0, Fighting 0, Intellect 7, Awareness 6, Presence 0

Advantages
Attractive 2, Connected, Eidetic Memory, Fascinate (Expertise: Music), Favored Foe: Disturbed, Great Endurance, Languages 1, Second Chance: Insight, Skill Mastery: Insight, Skill Mastery: Treatment, Speed of Thought

Skills
Athletics 5 (+5), Close Combat: Unarmed 5 (+5), Expertise: ???? 1 (+8), Expertise: Medicine 8 (+15), Expertise: Music 3 (+10), Expertise: Occult 3 (+10), Insight 4 (+10), Investigation 3 (+10), Perception 4 (+10), Persuasion 10 (+10), Technology 3 (+10), Treatment 8 (+15)

Powers
Kaleidoscope eyes: Variable 1 (Limited: Senses and Communication, Uncontrolled)
Life on the Pharm: Enhanced Trait 0 (Traits: Expertise +0 (+8); Variable Descriptor: close group - General specialization; Limited: Drugs and effects)

Offense
Initiative +7
Grab, +0 (DC Spec 10)
Throw, +0 (DC 15)
Unarmed, +5 (DC 15)

Complications
Disability- Hallucinations: Sometimes she sees or hears things that can't possibly be right. Thankfully, she knows how to threat things like that.
Phobia- Madness: Her beloved grandmother believe in irrational things- and she's afraid of following the same pathway. She'll come to discover that Grandma was right.
Relationship- Beloved Smother: Mother knows what's best and she'll be a good girl and do it.
Responsibility- medical residency: Long hours, little pay and so close to her (mother's) dreams coming true!
Secret- Pink Hair: It's always been important that she hide her pink hair. Good girl's don't do stand out for things like that.

Languages
English, WuShan

Defense
Dodge 6, Parry 6, Fortitude 8, Toughness 5, Will 8

Power Points
Abilities 36 + Powers 6 + Advantages 12 + Skills 29 (57 ranks) + Defenses 17 = 100

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Lillian Sung (ICON)

Origin: Birthright

Abilities:
Prowess 2, Coordination 3, Strength 3, Intellect 4, Awareness 3, Willpower 4

Powers:
Detection 6 {Extras: Magic and Spirit; Limits: Uncontrolled}
Magic 5 {Limits: Ritualistic}
Super-Senses 1 (True Sight)

Specialties:
Medicine, Performance

Determination:4
Stamina: 7

Qualities:
Down The Rabbit Hole- Con: coming across bizarre creatures with strange logics and illogics pro: being able to come to accept such leaps of logic, as another possible interpretation, being able to make friends with the strange denizens and cross from pawn to queen

Life on the Pharm- psychopharmacology being a crutch to deny a new reality but also a knowledge and growing resistance, secondary: becoming involved (for will and woe) with the fringes of Neotropolis society chasing that next expanded moment of Brilliance.

Caught between the Tiger and the Shen: Showing the diversity between her tiger mother (overachieving) and her more spiritual grandmother. It brings conflict and flexibility. Stubbornness and obsession being your leaning towards the Tiger, and restraint and discipline making you more Shen. The Tiger being a more analytical Western direction. The Shen being more intuitive and Eastern.

kenmadragon
05-31-2016, 05:13 PM
Given Lillian's character description, her sheet would look more like so:

Origin: Birthright

Abilities:
Prowess 2, Coordination 3, Strength 3, Intellect 5, Awareness 3, Willpower 4

Powers:
Detection 6 {Extras: Magic and Spirit; Limits: Uncontrolled}
Magic 5 {Limits: Ritualistic}
Super-Senses 1 (True Sight)

Specialties:
Medicine, Performance

Determination:4
Stamina: 7

Qualities:
Down The Rabbit Hole
Life On The Pharm
Far Beyond Driven

Notes:
Okay, so first off - Origin. Birthright seems appropriate for Lillian because her power is something that she was born to have. As far as Neotropolis is concerned, the only people with the Unearthly origin would be the Lancaster's - they're not actually human.

Second, Intellect level typically corresponds to level of education in terms of benchmarks (unless you've got an advanced brain like the Lancaster boys or Gizmo Girl). So, I'm tempted to actually assign that as a 4, given a 5 is what one would give someone like Dr. Robert Wong (who's somewhere between a 5 and a 6). So, yeah, she could have a 5, but I have to wonder whether her misuse to pharmaceuticals in an ill-guided attempt to make her abilities stop might have taken a slight toll on her reason.

Which brings us to Specialties - I wouldn't give an Expert rank in a Specialty to Lillian in either Medicine or Psychiatry. Expert is typically the realm of true experts - people with that level of experience and skill in doing stuff like that. So, Dr. Wong would have Medicine Expert, but not Lillian, who's still in residency and hasn't had all too much experience in the field. Similarly with Psychiatry - which I removed entirely because Lillian studied medicine, not psychiatry, in school. If she were a liscenced psychiatrist, then sure it'd make sense for Lillian to have it, but she's training to be a physician.

Now, onto the powers. As you'll see, the Detection and Super-Senses powers are Uncontrolled. This means they're under GM control. True-Sight's the easy one - it lets you see what's normally concealed. Illusions, disguises, true natures, etc. Now, Detection is fun - it lets you sense magical energies and strengths, and also see ghosts and spirits, being able to detect their presence. With Detection, you also use that power level of 6 in place of Awareness when detecting that sort of thing.

And if you're curious as to why I already gave you Magic? Because frankly, this is a one shot, and if you decide to try and learn magic from the get go, I'm going to let that fly. So, you need the power - but it's highly restrictive. For one, you cast using Willpower to try and get a spell going. Also, you have to do some long rituals to get the magic flowing (she's not a sorcerer, just a ritualist).

Also, this is something I always ask my players: Explain your Qualities. For each one, give it a short explanation, then explain how you see it being used by everyone at the table, player and GM alike, as well as how it is both good and bad for the character. The best qualities are always double-edged swords, with one side just a smidge sharper than the other.

Spectrum
05-31-2016, 06:16 PM
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. You bring up a lot of points that need to be considered.

Spectrum
06-01-2016, 05:30 PM
Most of the things that I was going to say last night are quibbly stuff.

Origins:
I'd think that the Lancaster family is more Birthright than Unearthly. They weren't born in a different universe after all, right? Blitz is also probably here.

Trained, transformed and gimmick also are common Neotropolis origin points.

Dr Wong might be lower in Intellect than you think. However, I would also give him huge ranks in medicine and science (and maybe military). He's one of the foremost experts in his field but he's no rocket scientist.

I'm easy either way with Lillian's skills. I see her as specializing in psychopharmacology. In her original game, her area of magic was focused on using Taoist alchemy to develop the leading edge of designer drugs before they were made illegal.

The powers make sense. I was thinking that the information could come to her in other ways: the ficus tree in the corner actually telling her that it needs to be water, the neighbor's dog talking to her, or seeing into expanded parts of the spectrum. Really its more playing with the way that the senses work in ways that are unexpected or unsettling.

Some mood music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlPC2DbOldw) before I start talking about the qualities.

Down the rabbit hole- Con: coming across bizarre creatures with strange logics and illogics pro: being able to come to accept such leaps of logic, as another possible interpretation, being able to make friends with the strange denizens and cross from pawn to queen

Life on the pharm- psychopharmacology being a crutch to deny a new reality but also a knowledge and growing resistance, secondary: becoming involved (for will and woe) with the fringes of Neotropolis society chasing that next expanded moment of Brilliance.

Far beyond driven- prone to be driven to obsession, but also able to go far beyond the normal in pursuit of those quests

kenmadragon
06-01-2016, 07:43 PM
On the topic of origins, I'm listing Blitz as a Birthright origin in my conversions - as a clone, she was born with her powers. And given Kenneth's proclivity for dimension-hopping in his youth, I was more suggesting that the Lancasters were descendants of some ancient race which traveled through the multi-verse, and settled in different worlds in ancient times. Ergo, where all those stories of demi-gods and the like living on earth come from. It's not really an important detail in the short term, but I kinda figured it'd be an interesting twist later on. (Plus, from a mechanical perspective, the Unearthly origin explains why the Lancasters are all so weird)

But yeah, Lillian's a Birthright because she's human, but inherits her magical gift from her grandmother. And virtually all of the other heroes are in those three. Basically, of the heroes I currently have made stats for (I'm still tinkering with the levels), the Origins are like so:

Trained - Dragon's Breath, Mr. Fix (mostly speculation)
Transformed - Hardlight, The Shrike, Celestial, Shadowwalker
Birthright - Blitz, Lillian Sung
Gimmick - E-Lass, Gizmo Girl, ANUBIS
Artificial - CADIE
Unearthly - The Samaritan, Timothy & Kenneth Lancaster

And yeah, if you'd rate Doctor Wong as a 4 Intellect, then you might want to drop Lillian to match as well. I mostly based my benchmarks similarly to the old FASERIP system for Marvel, where Intellect was correlated to level of education (or intelligence comparable to someone with said education). Though, given the scale of Icons, you could be either way - a 4 makes you a good scholar, but a 5 makes you a great one. 6 is the level of world-class thinkers, like Professor Emil Hamilton from Superman.

Similarly, the Psychiatry specialty doesn't lend itself too well to psychopharmacology. But, it's up to you if you want to keep it or not.

Also, your third quality could be better phrased. As it is, it lacks a certain "oomph". It's good as it is, but there's always room for improvement.

Spectrum
06-02-2016, 02:32 AM
I'm noticing that the ideas of trained and gimmick blend pretty closely in my version of Neotropolis. Several characters have equipment and specialized training- a bounty hunter/cyborg, a professional thief/hard light equipment, etc.

I'm notiicng several similarities between ICON and Fate. I'm tempted to see what Lillian would look like in the Dresden system.

Spectrum
06-02-2016, 03:56 AM
Also... I have mental sketches of most of the Lancaster family. Big sis is being shy telling me about herself.

As you might expect, right now, it's all pretty spoilerific.

Spectrum
06-02-2016, 05:49 AM
Also, your third quality could be better phrased. As it is, it lacks a certain "oomph". It's good as it is, but there's always room for improvement.

I'm good with obscure references that are too obscure and being surprised that nobody around me gets them :)

Is there a concept you like more?

kenmadragon
06-02-2016, 11:38 AM
I'm noticing that the ideas of trained and gimmick blend pretty closely in my version of Neotropolis. Several characters have equipment and specialized training- a bounty hunter/cyborg, a professional thief/hard light equipment, etc.

I'm notiicng several similarities between ICON and Fate. I'm tempted to see what Lillian would look like in the Dresden system.

Yeah, but it's somewhat usually easy to tell whether a character falls on one side of the line or another. Typically because Gimmick's tend to be characters with higher mental stats and focus upon a device. In that respect, Hardlight could actually be a Gimmick - but given the nanites sorta imbedded into his skin and permanently bonded with him, it feels almost like he was Transformed. *shrugs* He was borderline on that one, because he fits the category descriptions for both.

And given the creators of Icons have actually mentioned in their books that they drew inspirations from the FUDGE system and FATE, yeah, loads of similarities. Kinda why I wanted to use Icons - Fate-like social mechanics, but built for a supers setting.


Also... I have mental sketches of most of the Lancaster family. Big sis is being shy telling me about herself.

As you might expect, right now, it's all pretty spoilerific.

Lemme guess - you're using Icon's random tables to get ideas? :p


I'm good with obscure references that are too obscure and being surprised that nobody around me gets them :)

Is there a concept you like more?

Not one that comes to mind. I was more saying that it needs to be re-worded a little. At the moment, it's a little broad and needs to be honed on something. "Far Beyond Driven" makes you prone to obsession, but doesn't say about what, or what types of things Lillian'd get obsessed about. What makes her so obsessed?

Spectrum
06-03-2016, 05:58 PM
I still like driven but I understand what you mean, it's overly general. While I like that and it fits, its too broad.

I've been looking over the Dresden game for aspect ideas. A few that pop out.

Caught between the Tiger and the Shen: Showing the diversity between her tiger mother (overachieving) and her more spiritual grandmother. It brings conflict and flexibility.

Eyes Wide Shut/The Lidless Eye/The Music of the Spheres: going back to the idea that her awareness is acute but also brings unwanted (or just confusing) truths as well.



And the family is based on characters/concepts that I've wanted to play for a long while, they were just too shallow or too narrow to fit into most games on the board. I've mentioned it before, but I think that it would be nifty to have a young Kenneth and Linda in love series.

kenmadragon
06-03-2016, 10:45 PM
I rather like "Caught Between The Tiger And The Shen". I'd definitely use that in place of "Far Beyond Driven" - stubbornness and obsession being your leaning towards the Tiger, and restraint and discipline making you more Shen. Also, it's a lot more poetic, which is always a plus. :)

And btw, I did NOT expect Linda to be the psychic. Wow! What a twist! Hell, I was thinking of saying that Linda's side of the family lived out somewhere in the country (so Dexter could have an excuse to do more super-man things), and that her brother worked for the government as an agent of some kind, so if the government ever turned against the Samaritan, it wouldn't just be his government going after him, but his own uncle. And that Linda's dad doesn't like Kenneth for reasons.

But that! That was wholly unexpected.

Also, yes. Young Kenneth and Linda - dear god, that would be something. So much yes! Tricky game to run, but would be a fun fic-series to write.

Spectrum
06-04-2016, 10:28 AM
There is much still unsaid that one day we may touch upon. They are very different and yet together they are stronger.

Spectrum
06-04-2016, 10:33 AM
Opening post character sheet has been updated.

Let's get this show on the road?

kenmadragon
06-05-2016, 01:37 PM
Let's.

But first, one question: what time-frame do you wish to start at, again?

Spectrum
06-05-2016, 03:02 PM
For her, the start of Madness.

In relation to the main Neotropolis timeline- sufficient time for her to have dealt with her Madness and developed Third Eye. A few months? A year? before the main timeline.

kenmadragon
06-05-2016, 06:25 PM
Got it. So, start from during the medical residency. The fun stuff. :p

Just so you know, this will be taking place during the school year before the events of Nobody Be A Hero. Lillian will be in her first year of residency (note - she's not in the same age range as Marie and Dexter - they'd be middle schoolers when she graduated highschool), where she will be working in a hospital in her specialty.

And for me to fill the in the blanks, could you remind me of the name of the hospital near NIT? Also, what specialty of medicine is she doing residency in? Do be aware that you're not going to be dealing with serious issues in the hospital, and more like taking care of patients who aren't in any serious danger, because I know jack about medical procedure, and hope I can fake having any modicum of knowledge about less intense stuff. :D

Once I know that, I fill in the blanks, and we can begin with an evening working at the hospital.

Spectrum
06-05-2016, 06:37 PM
Bed time for beings of coherent light but.. is this (http://roninarmy.com/threads/4911-Neotropolis-Shattered-Mirrors) a good start?

kenmadragon
06-05-2016, 07:05 PM
Bed time for beings of coherent light but.. is this (http://roninarmy.com/threads/4911-Neotropolis-Shattered-Mirrors) a good start?

If you're doing your residency in therapy and treating people with mental illness or delusions, then sure. And if you are, well, you better put that Psychiatry specialty back on your character sheet.

Otherwise, it could serve as a 'future Lillian" snapshot.

Either way, would you like to name the institution at which Lillian works?

Spectrum
06-07-2016, 02:32 PM
I'm easy and just want to play :)

I try to take cues from famous Science!tists when naming things in the setting.

A few ideas: Skinner, (Wilhelm) Reich, Jung, Chomsky, Stroop

Spectrum
06-09-2016, 01:16 PM
Good stuff. I'm looking forward to getting into it.

The tech level in Neotropolis is significantly higher than the rest of the world, they might be in for some future shock.

kenmadragon
06-09-2016, 10:24 PM
So, I was planning on finishing up my first IC post today... when my mother shanghai'ed me into shopping the second I got back home. -.-

By Saturday's end, I swear.

But seriously, update NBAH before you post here, or I'll go bonkers with anticipation too.

Spectrum
06-11-2016, 01:57 PM
Tag, you're it. :)

And huh, is NBAH still an accurate name or just an artifact at this point? It's an artifact, but I don't want to change it.

kenmadragon
06-12-2016, 01:17 PM
Sorry, I knew I would be busy last night, but I forgot I had to drive my brother to the airport before that - so I didn't have the time I thought I would.

Also, put the Psychiatry specialty back.

And I'm not sure to be honest. I mean, yeah it's an artefact but it's still kinda half-relevant I guess.

Spectrum
06-15-2016, 05:00 PM
So a few questions of clarification..

Is Mr Eocher bound in any way?
Considered criminally insane? A threat?
Is he here voluntarily? A 'guest' of the state?

kenmadragon
06-15-2016, 05:12 PM
No, no, not really, sort of, and not so explicitily.

Mr. Eocher was taken into police custody for wide-spread vandalism. It was later revealed that we was also guilty of theft (some strange form of kleptomania. After a brief stint in lockup and the paying of a fine, Eocher was released, but the court "strongly advised" him to seek medical attention/counseling for his apparent issues.

A strange note was that Eocher had been declared "missing" three days before they found him on the streets reversing street signs. The police chased him into the sewers where they finally caught him and brought him in. Turns out, they found a secret stash of stolen shoes (all left shoes) in a nearby sewer access tunnel which Eocher confused to having stolen.

So, mostly harmless.

Spectrum
06-15-2016, 05:25 PM
Cool- thanks for the quick reply. It helps set the scene and the appropriate level of response.

Also, I just purchased that bundle.

Spectrum
06-18-2016, 01:28 PM
I'm not sure where we're going with this one. Where would you like to see it go?

kenmadragon
06-18-2016, 01:51 PM
It's really up to you at this point. You could try and talk to Eocher for a bit more, or speed things along and hurry him out to get some privacy. Or you could just flat out and tell him to get the hell out of your office. I'm cool with anything you want right now - I don't have any rails to guide you to this early on.

Spectrum
06-20-2016, 05:02 PM
Tell you what, let's get an intro to the game system. I want to get a better sense of what our poor chap is about.

kenmadragon
06-20-2016, 06:24 PM
What, you mean Learn a Quality? Alright-y then: if you're gonna be trying to analyze Mr. Eocher, that'd be an Awareness (+Psychiatry) ability test.

Now, the rules basically say that one person rolls Effort and the other person rolls Difficulty, but that eats up way too much time in PbP. So, we'll use a modified version of the dice rolling method used in the original rule-set.

Whoever is the "actor" in a situation rolls 2d6-7 to get a result between -5 and 5. Then add the level of the Acting Ability (+ Relevant Specialty) to the dice result. Or just add the level directly to the 2d6-7 before rolling if you wish, same difference. Then who/whatever is being acted upon will just have their static Opposing Ability(+Modifiers) to compare it to, getting degrees of success that way. If there's additional tests to be made by the defender as a result of the test (like for slams or stuns), then the defender will roll.

That ought to speed things up in the pbp. :D

Spectrum
06-29-2016, 04:30 PM
*thwaps at the screen* Where the magic controls for the conversation? :)

Should we jump forwards?

kenmadragon
06-29-2016, 05:36 PM
Uh, I think you just ticked him off enough to storm off, so... yeah.

Though, that's mostly because the file would have stated that the shoes weren't found in his home - they were found in a seldom used control room in the sewers, not but 13 yards from where the police apprehended him. And some of the stuff they found in that room (besides the shoes, of course) were discovered to belong to Eocher.

Spectrum
06-29-2016, 05:40 PM
Sorry, I think in textures and surfaces to play with when it comes to game time and I was having a really hard time seeing what to play with. :(

kenmadragon
06-29-2016, 06:49 PM
Oh no, I kinda figured this would happen. Hell, it actually forwards the plot.

Also, it's been a while since I've run a game in this style, so I think that might be on me. Sorry if I was confusing.

Spectrum
07-02-2016, 09:51 AM
This seems pretty appropriate for this game. Maybe inspiration?

http://imgur.com/gallery/9YxbT

kenmadragon
07-02-2016, 11:56 AM
That's actually rather appropriate, though not my direct inspiration. I was kinda pulling from some of the panels in the 2015 Dr. Strange series. Bachalo's art is rather evocative, and just goes to show how in a world ruled by science and technology and logic, the illogical still has power.

Though, given the difference in power and experience, Lillian could probably only catch glimpses of those views, rather than everything Strange tends to see.

And the thing's more of a cat-monkey-snake-centipede-bird hybrid thing. Though, probably better not to think about the exact nature of it's appearance. Really not that important.

Spectrum
07-11-2016, 04:28 PM
Do you mean the grandmother's lullaby (expected) or mother (unexpected)?

Both make sense in context.

kenmadragon
07-11-2016, 08:47 PM
The lullaby would be either (if they're different songs). The voice, though, is both. Or either. Or neither. Lillian's tired, she doesn't know. :cool:

Though, it's a lazy morning, and she feels better rested than she has in a LONG time.

Spectrum
07-14-2016, 02:31 PM
Sorry for the delays!

And sadly, this is my typical morning. Except for the light being up part.

3 am this morning

Spectrum
08-05-2016, 05:33 PM
I'm going to close out this browser window until you let me know otherwise. I've really enjoyed the game so far. Good to be on this side of the screen once in a while :)

kenmadragon
08-05-2016, 06:24 PM
*face palm*

I completely missed that you'd updated here. Jeez, I need to figure out a way to get notifications for stuff like this. I thought I was waiting on you. Soooo sorry about that.

I is an idiot.

Spectrum
08-05-2016, 08:34 PM
No worries. I just thought that with all the crud you've been going through that I wouldn't rush you. You've been very kind in the past when things got hectic for me.

Spectrum
09-06-2016, 03:18 PM
Sorry for the delays!